Premium Member Gregg MacPherson Posted July 5, 2025 Premium Member Posted July 5, 2025 (edited) I saw a promising ACL 2 kit on eBay. The seller bought at auction in NZ. I'm trying to help him get it basically tested. USD6K buy now. eBay link.. https://www.ebay.com/itm/257001653238?_skw=eclair+acl&itmmeta=01JZBRQT3GBGZZMMJ75G0EA9FY&hash=item3bd67e03f6:g:cFIAAeSwn6doZzBH&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA0FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1cd8G86BOp38L9y2kOLnA9JEzaLY%2FNyPJ56daSF0wr8kfbm5YqylzGiqQQ7MfSCaxXDNckbFe3iWhCkQckqW3e9%2FsIphp9BKEvjTSlAevHKPOQDQJuCEcGHNXCvsbR49A08CtA448z2NS8FdiB91vJnrY5Fr8VXG8A5vJ02HEp9KFnsGkegnSEdCrWS7F5ZAboqZdnaH0UwhVPQbje6ffJwaNKS4I2EAxBVICqpMsl%2FDknJUqPFmoel0wM9LkSVOoU%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR-yh3_j6ZQ You can contact the seller directly... Will Wallace<fiveonefive@gmail.com> Edited July 5, 2025 by Gregg MacPherson more words
Premium Member Gregg MacPherson Posted July 8, 2025 Author Premium Member Posted July 8, 2025 (edited) Update... The seller is unfamiliar with film cameras. On a video call I tried to help test and assess..I saw that it is standard 16. The gate looked good. Not a heavily used camera. The 400' mag I saw was late model with centre pressure plate. There is a second 400' mag. He uploaded a video of it running (without film) to eBay. He will update that page with a complete list of components in the kit. Seller is offering 20% discount if sold privately (not through eBay). And free shipping worldwide via Fedex. Edited July 8, 2025 by Gregg MacPherson
Premium Member Duncan Brown Posted July 9, 2025 Premium Member Posted July 9, 2025 If you're talking to him, figure out what that second TS mount is (the one on the camera looks to be Arri-S) And is that some sort of fps controller for the motor? That's a new one on me. Duncan
Premium Member Gregg MacPherson Posted July 10, 2025 Author Premium Member Posted July 10, 2025 (edited) Update 10/07/25)... The seller is not signed up to the forum, so I will help by trying to itemise in an orderly way... Kit contents... ACL II body, standard 16, #2843 Kinoptic orientable VF, #....... Mag 1 #..... Nag 2 #..... Battery... Charger... Power cable spiral... Power cable short... Magic little box (to be advised)... TS/Arri-S lens port adapter TS/.....something I'm not sure of lens port adapter. (Nikon F...?) Ang. 15-150 zoom, Arr-S mount, #1432895... Zeiss distagon 8mm, f2, Arri-S mount, #5272243.... Rubber sunshade with bad memory bend... Pentax (sort of digital) spot meter)... A tray with some gel filter holders and glass filters..... If I missed something I'll fix later..... Notes: The gate looks quite good, no sign of high mileage. It's not clean, he will upload a better photo. I also asked for a sharp macro pic of the mirror The lens mounts aren't shown but assumed as Arri-S (pics of the mounted zoom). The other camera port adapter in the pics I can't tell what it is. Any ideas? A better pic should be coming. Is it Nikon F...? The video of the camera running (empty), with the camera about 30cm from the body, a few reflective elements in the environment...sounds reasonable. I'm assuming that it hasn't had CLA for a while. Noise will go down after that, even if just lubrication. Bear in mind that it's not a controlled test. The Ang 15-150 zooms are undervalued on Ebay at the moment. They cover S16 and can be quite sharp (I'm told). The magazine I saw ((didn't see detail of both)) is a late model type with a separate centre pressure plate. It's like an Arri SR mag, the overall pressure plate leaves a thin gap and only the little pressure plate over the aperture is applying pressure to the film. Good mag(s) for S16. Those little Pentax spot meters are great. I have one. New Price strategy if selling outside of eBay Price: NZD6000 (USD3614) Shipping: NZD500 (USD301) to NZD800 (USD482)..includes insurance. Money transfer by Wise..... If it just needs lubrication I think that is a really good deal... Edited July 10, 2025 by Gregg MacPherson
Premium Member Gregg MacPherson Posted July 10, 2025 Author Premium Member Posted July 10, 2025 I have asked for a pic that would show it. He doesn't know what it is.
Premium Member Aapo Lettinen Posted July 10, 2025 Premium Member Posted July 10, 2025 11 minutes ago, Gregg MacPherson said: I have asked for a pic that would show it. He doesn't know what it is. From the ebay pics it indeed looks like a extra crystal speed controller. Custom made with only couple of them made from the looks of it, just a project box with the panel and selector added. New external controllers for similar use can be made no problem, just need the info about how many pulses needed per frame (to calculate the needed signal frequency in Hz for each framerate) and the signal level needed (most old equipment has either 5v or 10v logic level)
Premium Member Duncan Brown Posted July 10, 2025 Premium Member Posted July 10, 2025 But where would it even plug in? Did that era motor even have an external speed control input? Duncan
Premium Member Gregg MacPherson Posted July 10, 2025 Author Premium Member Posted July 10, 2025 I think the connector for that is in the base just under the XLR-4 connector. I've read somewhere that ACL II did have external controllers, both factory and 3rd party (Tobin).
Heikki Repo Posted July 10, 2025 Posted July 10, 2025 The ACL II brochure mentions in the multi-duty motor description that it can accept external sync "with a special base". Whether that means all ACL II bases (vs. earlier) or means a special base isn't clear. After all, there's the single system sound base as well, the base version between ACL "1.5" and ACL II and one ACL II base I have had even German electronics in its base (before Aapo installed his motor electronics inside).
Premium Member Gregg MacPherson Posted July 15, 2025 Author Premium Member Posted July 15, 2025 The seller (he's not on the forum) now indicates that he would sell the lenses and camera separately if that suited someone. The zoom is a S16 zoom, and maybe it should go to a S16 camera. Also, the Zeiss 8mm lenses are expensive at the moment, so maybe splitting up is better strategy. Obviously the camera price will come down a good increment. I a day he may have a firm plan and a price.
Premium Member Steven Jackson Posted July 16, 2025 Premium Member Posted July 16, 2025 23 hours ago, Gregg MacPherson said: The seller (he's not on the forum) now indicates that he would sell the lenses and camera separately if that suited someone. The zoom is a S16 zoom, and maybe it should go to a S16 camera. Also, the Zeiss 8mm lenses are expensive at the moment, so maybe splitting up is better strategy. Obviously the camera price will come down a good increment. I a day he may have a firm plan and a price. I thought the Angenieux zoom with the red line was the variant that does not cover super16. Mine didn't and I'm aware that there's a version that does cover super16. Any clarification? Du-all sells a T3.1 version that says it does cover, but it's not like the lens pictured in the ACL ad.
Premium Member Gregg MacPherson Posted July 16, 2025 Author Premium Member Posted July 16, 2025 Thanks for that, I was unaware. I'll check and advise the seller the seller. Gregg.
Premium Member Gregg MacPherson Posted July 16, 2025 Author Premium Member Posted July 16, 2025 I cant see a difference yet looking at the lens bodies. I have a couple of pics of the S16 one I had here a while ago. Let's shift the tech discussion on this to the Eclair form, oui ?
Premium Member Steven Jackson Posted July 17, 2025 Premium Member Posted July 17, 2025 7 hours ago, Gregg MacPherson said: Thanks for that, I was unaware. I'll check and advise the seller the seller. Gregg. It is confusing, but here's a link to the two different zooms-one covers super16 and the other, with the red line on the focusing barrel, doesn't. one is a 10x15 and the other is a 15x10. All very confusing, but the non super16 is a bit chunkier. https://duallcamera.com/products/copy-of-angenieux-10-150mm-t2-3-type-15-x-10b-zoom-lens-in-cp-16-mount-s-1425296?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=94e9d4659&pr_rec_pid=7879674331314&pr_ref_pid=8419618259122&pr_seq=uniform https://duallcamera.com/products/angenieux-15-150mm-f2-8-type-10x15b-c-mount-zoom-lens-s-1167189
Premium Member Dom Jaeger Posted July 17, 2025 Premium Member Posted July 17, 2025 31 minutes ago, Steven Jackson said: It is confusing, but here's a link to the two different zooms-one covers super16 and the other, with the red line on the focusing barrel, doesn't. one is a 10x15 and the other is a 15x10. All very confusing, but the non super16 is a bit chunkier. https://duallcamera.com/products/copy-of-angenieux-10-150mm-t2-3-type-15-x-10b-zoom-lens-in-cp-16-mount-s-1425296?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=94e9d4659&pr_rec_pid=7879674331314&pr_ref_pid=8419618259122&pr_seq=uniform https://duallcamera.com/products/angenieux-15-150mm-f2-8-type-10x15b-c-mount-zoom-lens-s-1167189 You're comparing a 10-150 with a 15-150. Only the 15-150 covers S16. It basically comes down to how wide the zoom goes, anything of that vintage wider than 15mm (12-120, 10-150, 9.5-95 etc) and it won't cover S16. The 15-150 wasn't designed as a S16 zoom, it just happens to cover, like most older prime prime lenses longer than about 20mm.
Premium Member Gregg MacPherson Posted July 21, 2025 Author Premium Member Posted July 21, 2025 (edited) New eBay price USD4500....The contact info is there, so a lower price is possible outside eBay.... He's starting to get offers on eBay that may tip him over the edge. Edited July 21, 2025 by Gregg MacPherson
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