Benjamin Cameron Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 has anyone heard of someone wanting to position a camera on its side on a tripod, using an adaptor mounted between the head and the camera? the adaptor would rotate the camera down 90 degrees from fully upright/level, so that the camera is horizontal while the head is "upright", allowing for the full range of pan/tilt. this might be a crazy idea, and i'm wondering if it's been used before. the adaptor would be fixed at 90 degrees. i have access to a machine shop where i am going to fabricate one. what does the internet think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Collier Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 they are around prefabricated. More interesting to me are the oddball Dutch fluid heads. I keep wanting to work with one but they are rarely called for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian mussell Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 i've shoot a few times with 90 degree plates, interestingly normally with american dop's. unfortunately i can't remember why we used it :huh: if you have one fabricated make sure it is nodal when you pan and there is enough room to get to all the plugs on the camera you're using, yet keep it as low as possible so you can balance easily on geared heads and you have enough counter balance on fluid heads! fluid dutch heads are a pain, you can rarely balance them perfectly, they don't have enough counter balance for most film cameras and if you do balance them and Dial in enough counter balance they put the load so high that most fluid heads can't counter it! always nicer to use a swing head, i think. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Wallens Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 These are quite common, and several manufacturers make them, and are common at most rental houses: http://www.microdolly.com/micro_6.html http://www.cinemagadgets.com/camera-suppor...358e6cf0f66749b I am not sure why you are wanting to get it manufactured -- it may be easier and probably cheaper just to rent it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Gross Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 We have them for rent at Abel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Chris Keth Posted March 20, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted March 20, 2008 You can easily rent one or it's a super easy thing to make, assuming you can weld. Just a couple plates welded (make sure the weld is strong) at 90 degrees with a bunch of holes in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert duke Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Dont weld it. Either tap and bolt it together or buy a large aluminum angle iron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cameron Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 yeah, i have friends who do machining. i've made custom camera stuff before with them, so i have some idea what to do. and yes, i won't be welding, i'll be bolting the plates together. assuming i did build one (cheaper for me than renting), how would i compensate for the weight of my camera (about 17-18 pounds) being offset to one side of the head and tripod. i have in mind a plate the offsets the horizontal camera mount to one side, so the camera's center of gravity is centered over the head. some of the plates i have found online don't seem to work this way, so am i overthinking this? thanks everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Michael Nash Posted March 22, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted March 22, 2008 No, you're not overthinking it, tripod heads tend to work best when the payload's CG is directly above the center of the head. Also take into account that your rig may put the CG of the payload higher than normal, requiring more counterbalance compensation. As you tilt up/down with the head, the payload's CG is farther out from the center of the head than before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cameron Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 that's exactly what i pictured. if i make sketches of this, i'll try and post them. it should be interesting. thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cameron Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 that's exactly what i pictured. if i make sketches of this, i'll try and post them. it should be interesting. thanks. Here are some photos of the mount, pretty straightforward, just a 90 degree aluminum L with a couple of threaded holes and a reinforcing brace below. It works great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Chad Stockfleth Posted June 13, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted June 13, 2008 Just to add, you can do it with this Lamda Nodal head with the 3rd axis: You can also get close with this Cartoni Dutch head: Or, on the cheap, you can mount the plate sideways on your tripod and "tilt" the camera onto it's side. Of course this is not good with a very heavy rig and you lose the ability to tilt proper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cameron Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 Or, on the cheap, you can mount the plate sideways on your tripod and "tilt" the camera onto it's side. Of course this is not good with a very heavy rig and you lose the ability to tilt proper. Exactly. That's why I made this mount, all it cost was 4 hours of my time and 0$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Satsuki Murashige Posted June 14, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted June 14, 2008 i've shoot a few times with 90 degree plates, interestingly normally with american dop's.unfortunately i can't remember why we used it :huh: Maybe for greenscreen portraits? That's been my sole experience with the 90 degree rig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onno Perdijk Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Hello All, I have been using this kind of rig quite often for having the maximum of film-negative available for postproduction while filming a vertical-orientated subject. Or for some artistical-presentation in a gallery with multiple screens, setup vertical and diagonal. Onno Perdijk KeyGrip Amsterdam, The netherlands www.solidgripsystems.eu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cameron Posted June 16, 2008 Author Share Posted June 16, 2008 Hello All, I have been using this kind of rig quite often for having the maximum of film-negative available for postproduction while filming a vertical-orientated subject. Or for some artistical-presentation in a gallery with multiple screens, setup vertical and diagonal. Onno Perdijk KeyGrip Amsterdam, The netherlands www.solidgripsystems.eu exactly what i'm using it for. a documentary on the Redwoods. hard to imagine a more vertically oriented subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Glen Alexander Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 These are quite common, and several manufacturers make them, and are common at most rental houses: http://www.microdolly.com/micro_6.html http://www.cinemagadgets.com/camera-suppor...358e6cf0f66749b I am not sure why you are wanting to get it manufactured -- it may be easier and probably cheaper just to rent it. some of those are similar to ones found here http://www.modernstudio.com/cameramounts.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Barndt Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 I used a 90 deg plate from Willy's Widget's in az. for this film http://web.mac.com/tombarndt/aramasmot_zone/I_Will.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob van Gelder Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Here in Thailand we use this frequently for the shampoo commercials. The Asian women have lovely long and straight hair (OK, I am biased :D ) , and we do a lot of high speed shooting on this. This way we can almost double the resolution and with the fine details/ gloss on the black hair it makes all the difference. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tim O'Connor Posted July 3, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted July 3, 2008 Dont weld it. Either tap and bolt it together or buy a large aluminum angle iron. Hi Robert, Why not weld? I know you know your stuff; I just like to weld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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