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Hi everybody,

 

we?ve just finished our first short movie using a homemade MINI35 kit (based around a Nikon F-2 and a Canon XM-2/GL-2). It?s freely inspired by the movie Fight Club (but it?s not the point of the movie at all). Our budget was about 400$, mostly spent on food and tapes. A lot was done in post, color-correction, stabilizing, degraining,? We hope you?ll like it. If you have any question, please just ask, we?ve a lot of ?making-of? pictures if you?re interested. A last thing, it?s in french, excuse the quite crappy subtitles, if you have any correction, please tell us, thank you very much.

 

Stills: http://www.originalversion.net/temp/marla.jpg

 

Movie (Quicktime 6): http://www.originalversion.net/temp/marla.mov (right click + save as to download)

 

 

 

Olivier & Sebastien

 

Another State of Mind,

www.anotherstateofmind.be

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a homemade MINI35 kit

Making a MINI35 adapter has been a project that I've been meaning to tackle for quite some time now, but as I read more about these systems, they are a lot more complicated than what I had thought. I don't have a clue where to start.

 

How did you go about designing your MINI35 kit? From the stills, aside from some vignetteing, the pictures look good (of course, I can't really tell how sharp the images are since they are small). I haven't watched the video yet (it'ls loading as I type this).

 

I'm very interested in techniques you used to build your MINI35, and any problems you have encountered during the construction of the unit, anything you wish you could change, etc. I would like to see some of the BTS photos, to see how the unit looks in action.

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He posted the link to some stills of their homemade Mini35 rig on another forum.

 

http://www.originalversion.net/temp/makingof01.jpg

 

Looks like he basically ripped off the pentaprism of a still camera and pointed the video camera at the focusing screen. Doesn't move to reduce the grain of the gg, but it probably cost him pennies. Interesting toy.

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Very clever!

 

That's the beauty of this plan dude, it's simplicity.

 

Congrats ASOM.

 

How about a few seconds of DV footage for us to inspect? The f**k the moving focussing screen approach is great, but I'm interested in why PST thought it was worth all that effort.

 

Cheers

 

Dan

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Hi,

 

... plus, wouldn't you run into sharpness and collimation issues? The whole splitter-block-depth problem, and the sharpness of the PL-mount lenses being optimised for the large 35mm frame.

 

I wonder if creating a groundglass is simly a matter of sandblasting an optical flat.

 

Phil

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Thanks for the link Mitch. Very interesting rig! ^_^ I sort of expected the body of an SLR to be somewhere in there, but didn't expect the camera to be pointing downwards. Of course, it certainly makes sense, but throw a couple more mirrors in there and you can get a forward pointing (albeit larger) homemade Mini35 unit, eh? ;)

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hi ASOM,

 

Question: How does the dv cam receive the image from the still cam? and how does it affect the fstop... I'm betting it's somewhere between the lens' and the ccd's...

 

If I were to make this rig myself what would you recommend? The rig seems a bit limited to movement... dpes pan and tilt give you trouble?... any technical tips?

The stills you put up look sharp but they're small, are you pleased with the quality of the final product... Focus pulling?

 

I'm sorry I bombarded you with questions but the rig is inspiring, at least to me because I cannot afford 35 cameras and if I can make this rig work for me than I may have an option other than the builtin lens of a, say pd 150 or vx1000...

 

thx

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The quicktime movie made it look like there was nothing particularly sharp, just some parts less sharp then others. Of course that could be more Quicktime resolution than the footage itself. As far as using the rig it seems fairly simple to me to drill a hole in the base of that rig and mount a tripod quick release plate. Then just use it like any other camera rig. I did keep noticing what looked like spots on the groundglass surface. It's very important to keep dust & dirt out of the rig.

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Thank you all for the comments !!

 

Pans, focus pulling,...surely work. We tried to avoid movements because we had no good tripod. We had an ironing table as tripod, every exterior shot was done handheld :-)

 

Focus pulling on SLR optics is quite hard but doable. All you need to do this kit is a SLR with a removable viewfinder (so you can shot the focusing screen, medium-format are great too), a plain focusing screen (D focusing screen for Nikon SLR), some optics, a macro-adapter (+4 on the Canon Gl2, maybe more on other cameras) and you're reading to go. We did our first tests using two tripods, one for the SLR, another one for the DV Camera and it did work too.

 

The picture on a TV is sharp but not videoish sharp, edges are smooth,... we're currently editing a small trailer, if you want, I'll try to upload it in DV or MPEG2 to some servers.

 

We're also working on the website, where we'll explain everything we went trough. If you have other questions, we'll be pleased to answer.

 

Thanks again,

 

Olivier & Sebastien

www.anotherstateofmind.be

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Hi,

 

Out of interest, how large an image is the GL1 shooting in that configuration?

 

The reason I ask is that I find that my camera, a 1/2" chip type with 20:1 lens, shoots an image area about 3" square in full macro - this determined simply by laying my PDA on the edge of the lens ring and focussing on it in macro. To make the camera shoot an area the size of a 35mm stills frame, it ends up being about eight feet away on a huge zoom.

 

Phil

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Hi,

 

With the lens zoomed in, the macro image is completely soft. Guess I'd have to get a series of pretty powerful diopters!

 

I imagine the ideal solution would be to find an old zoom that'd been trashed, and rip the relay group off the back. If I remember my remedial optics correctly, that'd allow you to focus a very small area and avoid the additional abberation of the zoom elements.

 

Phil

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  • 3 weeks later...

Hello all,

 

the website for the movie is online. You'll find the teaser, trailer, full-res stills, making-of pictures, deleted scenes,... we're still working on the technical guide (mini35 how-to, post,...), it'll be online monday.

 

Here the url: http://www.marlathemovie.com

 

Hope you'll like it,

 

Olivier & Sebastien

www.anotherstateofmind.be

www.marlathemovie.com

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we've just finished our small filmmaking guide based on the experience we got making "Marla.".

 

You'll find a illustrated homemade MINI35 how-to, shooting tips, post-production tips (how to get the best out of DV), references,...

 

It's available as a PDF file on the movie's website www.marlathemovie.com (in the bonus section).

 

Thanks again to everybody for the nice feedback, you are the reason why we made this guide. We hope you'll find it useful, please send us your comments.

 

Olivier & Sebastien

www.anotherstateofmind.be

www.marlathemovie.com

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Congrats Oliver and Sebastion

 

Have just taken apart my f3hp . mmmmmmm.

Aaaah the waist level viewfinder .mmmmm

 

To use my nikon primes(bliss!!!!). My connection was too slow wasnt able to look at the quicktime file. The smooth edges and non video-ish look have me intrigued.

 

Manu Anand

New Delhi

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