Luc Allein Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Is this true?? Someone told me at a Bound For Glory screening at the Aero theater last week that Wexler and Carradine got in an actual fistfight or brawl at a q&a for the movie. Apparently some bystanders got hurt too, someone in the audience got hit with a mic stand. Im hearing this second hand and am expecting it to be greatly exxaggerated, but I must admit Im amused at the possibility of an 80 year old cinematographer punching it up at a screening. Haskell's a badass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karel Bata Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/1860...XLER/Page1.html :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Washlesky Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Is this true?? Someone told me at a Bound For Glory screening at the Aero theater last week that Wexler and Carradine got in an actual fistfight or brawl at a q&a for the movie. Apparently some bystanders got hurt too, someone in the audience got hit with a mic stand. Im hearing this second hand and am expecting it to be greatly exxaggerated, but I must admit Im amused at the possibility of an 80 year old cinematographer punching it up at a screening. Haskell's a badass. Long but worth the read. No fist fight, just verbal sparring. http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2009/03/back_to_the_aer.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Allein Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 Thats so crazy. Thanks for that link. You think Carradine was drunk, or is he just a huge butt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tim Carroll Posted June 4, 2009 Premium Member Share Posted June 4, 2009 Thats so crazy. Thanks for that link. You think Carradine was drunk, or is he just a huge butt? I think he was in a world of hurt that didn't get much better. Looks like he killed himself in a Bangkok Hotel this week: ABC News Story -Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Rakoczy Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 ** Notice to all Hollywood wide eyes... rarely is happiness found there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted June 5, 2009 Premium Member Share Posted June 5, 2009 ** Notice to all Hollywood wide eyes... rarely is happiness found there... You're implying that the film industry has a higher rate of suicides than other occupations. This doesn't seem to be the case, just looking at this article from "The Straight Dope": http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1...st-suicide-rate But looking at the suicide rate by occupations tends to ignore people at either end of the job cycle, students and retirees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Jensen Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 That is one the most "I wish I had been there" moments ever. And, if I had been there, I would have dragged Ronny Cox back down there. I live for moments like this. Better than Borat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Madsen Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 I think it’s true that people look for life in the image of life (that is, symbols of a fulfilling lifestyle). Of course people are going to be let down by Hollywood. Hollywood manufactures the images that by design no one can live up to. Don't we ensure this as camera people? Let's face it- we're not providing a great service to humanity. Haskel tries and I really appreciate it. download and read page 142 for insight into image and ideology. http://www.daysofwarnightsoflove.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Rakoczy Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 You're implying that the film industry has a higher rate of suicides than other occupations. No, I'm implying that Hollywood presents a seducing image it doesn't deliver... to ignore the fact that droves of our nations children flock to Hollywood in pursuit of fame and fortune is to ignore reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Teulon Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 But its Hollywood......and anything can happen in Hollywood! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted June 5, 2009 Premium Member Share Posted June 5, 2009 No, I'm implying that Hollywood presents a seducing image it doesn't deliver... to ignore the fact that droves of our nations children flock to Hollywood in pursuit of fame and fortune is to ignore reality. Based on a suicide of a 72-year-old. Who had a long and successful career. You're using his tragic death as some sort of excuse to take a swipe at Hollywood, even though he may have committed suicide even if he went into some other career. David Carradine wasn't lured into Hollywood and then destroyed because he failed to achieve success, yet somehow you are trying to make a connection like that. So every time someone commits suicide who worked in some other profession, are you going to make a post too? Because there is no statistical evidence that the lure of Hollywood is more "dangerous" than the lure of many other professions. You might as well warn people here about how becoming a dentist will also lead to tragedy. It's only because Carradine was a celebrity that his suicide is getting worldwide exposure -- there are sad cases of suicide every day, around the world, that are not printed in the press, and have no connection to the film industry. Because of that, one gets to false impression that the suicide rate among famous people must be statistically higher since you actually hear about those. People get their dreams dashed trying to enter all sorts of professions, some more glamorous than others. Some people try to become entrepreneurs, open their own businesses, and fail. The success rate of restaurants isn't particularly high, for example. And there are other glamorous professions -- the music industry, professional sports, Wall Street brokers, etc. And if you are talking about job stress, there are other more stressful careers than filmmaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Teulon Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Until now, I wasn't actually aware of Carradine comitting suicide..... :( I've never been to Hollywood or worked in Hollywood. But I can imagine its as tough a place as I always hear that it is. My notion is that its a dream maker but also a dream breaker..... I'm sure his suicide had nothing to do with Hollywood and more to do with his personal life. RIP Carradine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Rakoczy Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 I guess you are right David, Hollywood hasn't really been known for screwing people up. Where did I get that silly idea? :rolleyes: mmmmm.. maybe living and working in Hollywood for over twenty years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 The papers here seem to be playing more on sex enhancement going wrong rather than suicide by hanging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted June 5, 2009 Premium Member Share Posted June 5, 2009 I guess you are right David, Hollywood hasn't really been known for screwing people up. Where did I get that silly idea? :rolleyes: mmmmm.. maybe living and working in the Hollywood for over twenty years.... And how many other industries have you also worked in for over twenty years that you are so sure Hollywood screws people up more than any other? Have you also been a politician for twenty years? A paramedic? A Wall Street broker? A soldier? A high school teacher? A restaurant owner? A race car driver? An oil rig worker? A deep sea fisherman? A healthcare worker? My point is just that if you are so sure that Hollywood is more dangerous and destructive to one's psyche than any other career choice, a little facts to back such a claim up would be nice. I tried to find such evidence online and I couldn't but maybe you know of some published paper on the subject with some statistical evidence. I mean, are you absolutely sure the suicide rate in Hollywood is higher than it is among public school teachers or paramedics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Rakoczy Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 David, you keep adding things I never said.. I never said he committed suicide because he failed to achieve success. In my mind he (did) achieve success. After all, most of the time it is the (success) that becomes a person's undoing or enables their demise... and I am not saying Hollywood has the exclusive rights to screwing or facilitating the screwing up of an individual either. I simply stated that Hollywood isn't all 'tinsel'... you should know that yourself. * Notice to all Hollywood wide eyes.... rarely is happiness found there... Having lived and breathed it myself, I stand by that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted June 5, 2009 Premium Member Share Posted June 5, 2009 His death may not even have been a suicide: From the Wiki entry: Death Wikinews has related news: Kung Fu star Carradine found dead in Bangkok hotel On June 4, 2009, Carradine was found dead in his room at the Swissotel Nai Lert Park Hotel on Wireless Road, near Sukhumvit, in central Bangkok, Thailand.[2][3] A police official said Carradine was found hanging by a rope in the room's closet,[13][14] and the Bangkok Post reported that his body was found curled up in the wardrobe with a shoelace tied around his genitals and neck.[15] Khunying Pornthip Rojanasunand, a Thai forensic pathologist and Director of Central Institute of Forensic Science, stated the incident met four of the criteria for accidental death involving autoerotic asphyxiation. Police Lieutenant General Worapong Chewprecha, Commander of the Metropolitan Police, remarked that the closed circuit television installed within the hotel supported the theory that no other persons were involved with the death.[16][17][18][19] Carradine's representative and family members told the press that they believed the death to be accidental and not a suicide.[20] -- So I guess this may be a cautionary tale to not be born into a successful Hollywood acting family, live to be 72, and then possibly die from some self-inflicted sexual act. I'll put all of that on my list of things to watch out for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Jensen Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 David, I had heard from a costumer that he was in to some weird stuff. She also told me he had a Prince Albert which is a penis piercing for those of you who don't know. He may have had more than one. I just can't remember but that sticks out in my mind. I can see why it might be autoerotic aphyxiation as opposed to suicide. It makes more sense. I worked with his brother Bobby a few years ago in Fiji and he seemed quite normal. He brought his whole family with him and they were all quite nice and seemingly normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hayes Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Hey give the guy a rest. He was a passionate actor who gave us a lot. Even his low budget stuff was fun to watch. "Sound, sound the clarion, fill the pipe, Throughout the sensual world proclaim: One crowded hour of glorious life, Is worth an age without a name!" - Thomas Osbert Mordaunt (1730-1809) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted June 5, 2009 Premium Member Share Posted June 5, 2009 I just think there are limits to the sort of moral lessons we can learn from the antics of celebrities... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Jensen Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 I find it fascinating to say the least. Hollywood doesn't really eat people up in my opinion. People self destruct here as they do everywhere. Freaky? Yes. Immoral? No. He was just into something a little different. He's not the only one doing it. Unsafe is what it was. It's sad to leave a large family to deal with the mess. He was the patriarch apparently and a lot of people loved him. I'm sure it left a big hole in a lot of people's lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Rakoczy Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 He was just into something a little different. Spike thru your penis? Shoelaces around your nuts?... that's putting it mildly :o (if true). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Jensen Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Spike thru your penis? Shoelaces around your nuts?... that's putting it mildly :o (if true). To some people it's completely normal and to others it's completely outrageous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Borowski Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 So I guess this may be a cautionary tale to not be born into a successful Hollywood acting family, live to be 72, and then possibly die from some self-inflicted sexual act. I'll put all of that on my list of things to watch out for. This is pretty damn funny, in a kind of macabre way. In seriousness, suicide may have been looked at more kindly in the eyes of the world, or of an Almighty. What an humiliating, embarrassing way to die, afterlife or not. It almost would have been better had they never released that information publicly for the dignity of his family and his memory. Thanks once again to the WWW. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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