Ari Davidson Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 I'm looking to shoot some short ends spooled into 35mm cassettes with my old slr's. Really the only problem I'm having with this workflow is I just cannot seem to locate a lab that will process such short strips, or they do not use the ECN-2 process (still labs). I've also looked into developing myself, though I haven't found a retailer for the ECN-2 kit, and doubt that it is within a film student's budget. Does anyone out there have ANY suggestions as to how one should go about developing such images? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Charles MacDonald Posted August 17, 2009 Premium Member Share Posted August 17, 2009 I'm looking to shoot some short ends spooled into 35mm cassettes with my old slr's. Really the only problem I'm having with this workflow is I just cannot seem to locate a lab that will process such short strips, Tis a hard thing to find. The still camera lengths are about what a movie lab might use to splice with, so trying to run them is hard for the labs. The movie processing machines tend to run much faster than the C-41 (still camera) machines. and the C-41 machines know nothing of the messy black REM-Jet on Movie stock. you may find some useful info on the following threads: http://www.cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=30258 http://www.cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=32292 http://www.cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=35133 http://www.cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=37602 http://www.cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=19708 there are probaly a few others as this topic comes up regularly. I have heard in the last week two different places telling me that Dale Labs in Florida is and is not still processing movie neg. they did stop making slides from neg as of the end of July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Davidson Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 Tis a hard thing to find. Agreed. Thank you so much for your timely response. I have searched some more on forums such as apug.org and flickr. It seems there has been some success using the c-41 process by people who removed the remjet muck with sodium bicarbonate, sponges, etc. The results vary as much as the methods. I also found some discussion about using print stocks because they don't have remjet layers. However, someone mentioned that they have a low EI (circa 2), and I'm sure cans would be hard to come by on this side of the lab. I will research these methods closer and post my results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Pritchard Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Agreed. Thank you so much for your timely response. I have searched some more on forums such as apug.org and flickr. It seems there has been some success using the c-41 process by people who removed the remjet muck with sodium bicarbonate, sponges, etc. The results vary as much as the methods. I also found some discussion about using print stocks because they don't have remjet layers. However, someone mentioned that they have a low EI (circa 2), and I'm sure cans would be hard to come by on this side of the lab. I will research these methods closer and post my results. Actually all labs are able to run very short lengths - they regularly run control strips which are less than 2 ft long. However most do not want to be bothered and feel thay can't charge a realistic fee to make it worth while. When I worked at Humphries, many years ago, we all used Eastman colour neg in our still cameras and the rushes grader would attach the processed neg to a roll of rushes and make us a set of slides on colour print stock. They would all have the same grading but usually were quite acceptable; you just had to be extra careful with your exposure. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Tuohy Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Just make sure you don't send a film cartridge loaded with ecnII film to a mini-lab or you will make a hell of a mess! Your best bet is to find a movie lab that is willing to help you out. It is possible to buy the kodak kit chemistry directly from Kodak. However, the kit chemistry is not meant for home use but for small lab use. The boxes in the kit are mostly 20 Litre concentrates. It is possible to do the rem-jet removal stage more cleanly than the 'sponge' method you mentioned, simply by using the correct kodak pre-bath chemistry (which is one of the cheapest parts of the kit). But you don't want to do that. And shooting print stock won't help you with deciding how mp films look. Nor will processing ecnII film in c41 as the c41 developer will yield a different gamma than the encII developer. So find a sympathetic lab is my advice. cheers, richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stockman Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 I recently did my first C41 processing with a Fuji Hunt kit can anyone tell how to use the effect for achieving different colours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Hal Smith Posted December 12, 2009 Premium Member Share Posted December 12, 2009 We have film lab people that hang out here on the Forum. The reason labs don't like to run short lengths is economic. Unless you're about to give them a large order following a series of still camera tests it's just too much hassle for them. But for a price anything's possible. Let's do a little research for the labs: How much would YOU be willing to pay for ECNII developing of still camera film? I personally would be glad to pay $25 for the first 36 exposures and $12.50 for any subsequent 36 exposure lengths that could be spliced onto the first roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Neilsen Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 (edited) How much would YOU be willing to pay for ECNII developing of still camera film? I personally would be glad to pay $25 for the first 36 exposures and $12.50 for any subsequent 36 exposure lengths that could be spliced onto the first roll. Neglab, here in Australia, has their price for 35mm stills listed at AU$15/roll. (which is according to the website negotiable) http://www.neglab.com.au/index.php?id=3 Edited December 12, 2009 by Frederik Nielssen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Charles MacDonald Posted December 13, 2009 Premium Member Share Posted December 13, 2009 How much would YOU be willing to pay for ECNII developing of still camera film? I personally would be glad to pay $25 for the first 36 exposures and $12.50 for any subsequent 36 exposure lengths that could be spliced onto the first roll. There are two issues, which are a bit harder to deal with. The folks who did ECN still in the past used to use "stills Oriented" film splicers. to make you the orders. These are like for example the ones that are used to splice Kodachrome at the (remaining) lab. they use a termal process simalar to the way paper slide mounts work. The second issue is to actually PRINT the resuting negs onto Print film. The difficuty here is that even if the lab picks a "best light"- the printer would be half way through the roll before the light changed. Back in there heyday Dale devised their own machine to expose a frame at a time, using (I guess) the sort of exposure timing that a Still Printer uses when making RA4 prints. Another minor item is that to be easy to project the Print needs to go into slide mounts. _ Not a problem for a lab that already dies Ektachrome and fujichrome slides, but a thousand dollar investment in a slide monter for a MP lab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Toscano Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 I have done this several times in the past. I always use a bulk back on either a Pentax or Nikon and that way you have 20-30' to work with and lab is happy. Of course you might have to educate the lab on how to open the bulk back light tight spools the first time you take it in. Don't wind the film onto a core, just take the Nikon or Pentax spool in. I've only had one problem with this. The lab tech couldn't figure out how to open it to get the film out. Simple fix though. One lesson and their good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Spiger Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I have done this several times in the past. I always use a bulk back on either a Pentax or Nikon and that way you have 20-30' to work with and lab is happy. Of course you might have to educate the lab on how to open the bulk back light tight spools the first time you take it in. Don't wind the film onto a core, just take the Nikon or Pentax spool in. I've only had one problem with this. The lab tech couldn't figure out how to open it to get the film out. Simple fix though. One lesson and their good! Bruce, What is bulk back and where can I get one. That sounds incredible! thanks, Zack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Salim Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Bruce,What is bulk back and where can I get one. That sounds incredible! thanks, Zack Zack, Here's a link to see some Nikon bulk magazines..... http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardw...back/index1.htm John S :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Simon Wyss Posted December 31, 2009 Premium Member Share Posted December 31, 2009 We have film lab people that hang out here on the Forum. The reason labs don't like to run short lengths is economic. Nuuhh, Hal, I'd say the reason is technical. They don't like to stitch or tape so many short lengths together and the stitches tear the squeegees down. Damaged squeegees are something most unwanted with processing machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Stewart Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Dale Labs in Florida still offers this I believe. Jason Certified Film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Charles MacDonald Posted January 12, 2010 Premium Member Share Posted January 12, 2010 Dale Labs in Florida still offers this I believe. Jason Certified Film UNfortunatly they have apperently discontinued the service of processing ECN for stills as of the middle of last year. <_< :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Csehak Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I just talked to a guy at Cinelab (http://www.cinelab.com), and he said they'd do it. Not sure how much it'll be, but I'm gonna buy some short ends and find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tony Brown Posted January 23, 2010 Premium Member Share Posted January 23, 2010 Not only will labs in the UK process it they'll load the stuff as well (as will kodak) Never had a problem with this though not needed to do it for some years now........ Can't you tag it onto a job? I think you'll find Kodak and the labs are quite helpful at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Teulon Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Not only will labs in the UK process it they'll load the stuff as well (as will kodak) Kodak has always been very helpful with film stock in stills cases. When I hunted around for a quote the cheapest price I got was £50....i think it was ilab. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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