Rolfe Klement Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Going to be shooting 2 400ft rolls for a trailer for a Director friend from Maverick on 35mm - using my old trusty Arri 2C. ADR shoot - so no sound :) Looking for someone experienced who can help do some guerilla shooting. Involve a bit of carrying, grip, focus setting, lens clean and changes - whatever is needed really. The actors have just come back from LA - so the shoot has to be this Saturday (23rd April) with a 4am start! In central London Hyde Park etc - with car shots late at night so it is going to be a long long day any takers? - will have a professional TK at the end as well B) Mail me off list at Rolfe.klement@creativesunshine.com thanks Rolfe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 There's a 4am now? Hmmmm news to me. Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted April 18, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted April 18, 2005 Hi, > will have a professional TK at the end as well Why would that be of the slightest interest to the AC you're looking out to abuse? It's not like they're getting a reel item out of it. Cast can use it, DPs can use it, directors can use it, perhaps jib and steadicam operators, maybe the makeup department, costume and production designers - but ACs, technicians, people without creative input, we have an alternative method of compensation comprising a system of tokens which can be widely exchanged for goods and services. The system is called money and it means you have to pay. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Brereton Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 but ACs, technicians, people without creative input, we have an alternative method of compensation comprising a system of tokens which can be widely exchanged for goods and services. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I did quite a few freebies as an AC. The renumeration came in the form of experience (which sometimes I needed) and in new contacts (which everyone needs). I don't see the problem here. If you want to do a freebie - do it. If not, don't. No-one's forcing anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted April 18, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted April 18, 2005 Hi, I have long learned that the kind of contacts you make on freebies are generally worth no more to you in the future either. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolfe Klement Posted April 18, 2005 Author Share Posted April 18, 2005 Apologies if this has upset people. Just the quality of people here is so much better than "shooting people." :) I agree - contacts made in DV or HD freebies are often meaningless. It is better in the film world of 35mm This is entirely free - no-one is getting paid. I am not getting paid for my camera, nor the actors for their time, nor the director but in order to get out of the catch 22 situation of can't get a feature job till you shoot something, can't pay for a shoot and crew till you have a job - we (crew) have to do specs | trailers occasionally - access to actors like these is rare in the UK since most of them are in LA The actors have just come back from feature work in LA so therefore the short notice. And I trust their idea and we need 4am cause sunrise is listed as 5.49am and we need to shoot from the half hour before so 5.19 so with set up and breakfast - moves us to 4am or maybe 4.20 :rolleyes: at least we don't live any further north with an even earlier sunrise thanks to the people who have applied already - let's make it happen! Rolfe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Phil, It can and does get worse. It's not un-common for there to be 10-15 candidates for these "work for no pay jobs", imagine having to beat out other people for the privledge of working for free! Imagine being told, "sorry you're not qualified to work for free." I was in these situations back in film school, you had to fight your fellow students for the privledge of giving your labour away. What a strange biz this is, eh? RDCB PS: If Steven Spielberg gave me the opportunity to DP his next film, but I had to work for free, I guess I'd do it. Reluctantly :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted April 19, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted April 19, 2005 Hi, > It's not un-common for there to be 10-15 candidates for these "work for no pay jobs" Oh, I know. There was a time when I'd have gone up for something like this, but the lack of a filmschool education would have made it largely a waste of time. Somehow I'm not that bothered by the fact that I can't get no-pay work because I don't have a £100,000 education. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riku Naskali Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 What, there is something else than freebies? I believe it when I see it, as with ufos <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 I've heard rumors that David Mullen gets paid for working on movies, but they are just rumors, and he would be the only one. :D RDCB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Daniel J. Ashley-Smith Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 (edited) Hi Rolfe, Well it was looking good to me until you mentioned that word "experienced"... Well.. I'll work for free, as a P.A or something. If you?re in need of another pair of hands on deck (experienced coffee making hands that is), just give'us a shout and I'll be down there whatever time, 4 am till midnight is no problem. God Calling Rachel - P.A Bottle - 1st AC Red Lion Square - Director of Photography Worked in Chas Norman Cameras for a year now, cleaning optics and generally getting to know about camera equipment. Cheers, Dan. Edited April 19, 2005 by Daniel J. Ashley-Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Daniel J. Ashley-Smith Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 (edited) Getting people to do work for free even when they can't use it as a reel isn't all that hard. I mean, just go on shootingpeople.org! You have people lining up! (I just hope that will be the case for my summer film anyway, considering I'm DP'ing it, directing it, and now acting in it, and possibly producing the whole thing, but.. theres always the boom op position!) Edited April 19, 2005 by Daniel J. Ashley-Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riku Naskali Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Getting people to do work for free even when they can't use it as a reel isn't all that hard. I mean, just go on shootingpeople.org! You have people lining up! Yes, the problem is that it's too easy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Stephen Williams Posted May 6, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted May 6, 2005 Hi, I have long learned that the kind of contacts you make on freebies are generally worth no more to you in the future either. Phil <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ¨ Hi, A new AC helped me with a pitch 3 weeks ago. I have got him 2 days work since then! Stephen Williams DP www.stephenw.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted May 7, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted May 7, 2005 Hi, > A new AC helped me with a pitch 3 weeks ago. I have got him 2 days work since > then! Why did you do that? Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Stephen Williams Posted May 7, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted May 7, 2005 Hi, > A new AC helped me with a pitch 3 weeks ago. I have got him 2 days work since > then! Why did you do that? Phil <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Phil, I always try to help any talented crew if I can! I am a DP not a producer trying to save money! Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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