Site Sponsor Robert Houllahan Posted July 17, 2014 Site Sponsor Share Posted July 17, 2014 Too bad they didn't use SxS cards and be able to shoot 120fps ProRes4444 like a camera I seem to be used to.... and save the super expensive Codex cards... oh uh I mean Cion cards for RAW. Out of all the NAB new cams it did look the most interesting but I think the external recording and the proprietary media and no 120fps internal puts it into a odd spot in the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted July 17, 2014 Premium Member Share Posted July 17, 2014 Couldn't agree more. The proprietary media, to me, makes it an obvious choice to slap an external recorder on it. With many recorders you'd save money after the first two cards (and saving money isn't the only reason to avoid vendor lockin flash). This makes it a weird value proposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael LaVoie Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) It's still cheaper than a Sony F5 with the same amount of media, batteries and accessories. Or a Red Scarlet. Or even an FS700/Odyssey combo. The tradeoff for now appears to be higher frame rates and RAW but both of these are likely additions down the line. The Shogun may work. I've no doubt that the phone calls AJA will get from Convergent, Atomos, etc. will likely get AJA thinking of how to provide those features themselves that their competitors are offering in 3rd party recorders. The Shogun and Odyssey are competitors to the Kipro. Unless AJA comes out with something new soon The Kipro will seem out of date especially if it can't do what other recorders can do with their own camera. Edited July 17, 2014 by Michael LaVoie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted July 17, 2014 Premium Member Share Posted July 17, 2014 I'm not sure "their media is cheaper than Sony" is much of a recommendation. P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael LaVoie Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 It is a selling point though. Since the camera is in that arena. Moreso than the blackmagic DSLR category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted July 17, 2014 Premium Member Share Posted July 17, 2014 Well, if it genuinely is in that arena, then that'll be great. The same sensor in the Blackmagic 4K camera certainly isn't in F55 territory, or probably not even F5 territory, but better support electronics might quite legitimately make all the difference. They would have to make quite a significant difference, frankly, for it to compete in the F5/C500 arena. Though it's considerably cheaper than them, so perhaps we shouldn't expect direct competiton. I collared the chief technical guy at NAB and berated him quite severely about putting HD windowing into it, so it can be used in an ENG format too. Here's hoping. P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 Here's a link to the Cion brochure http://www.aja.com/assets/brochures/CION_Brochure_WEB.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 Video images from the Cion: https://www.aja.com/en/products/cion/video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 There has been a bit of a debate about the recent demo video. This link beings up the points raised: http://www.dvinfo.net/article/acquisition/a-critical-look-at-cions-new-demo-reel.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted September 21, 2014 Premium Member Share Posted September 21, 2014 I handled one at IBC. Looks like quite a nice little package, but buyers need to bear in mind that the base price doesn't include viewfinding, glass, power, or storage, which will very certainly double or triple the cost. P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 I gather the look in the video an in camera picture profile, but is ungraded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 The shipping date for the Cion at the end of December has been announced: http://www.redsharknews.com/production/item/2182-aja-cion-shipping-date-announced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 A few more details on FD Times: http://www.fdtimes.com/2014/11/18/aja-cion-to-ship-december/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted December 26, 2014 Author Share Posted December 26, 2014 The Cion is now shipping:http://www.fdtimes.com/2014/12/22/aja-cion-ships-today/https://www.aja.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Here's a FD article on a tour of the Cion Factory with interviews with interviews with AJA President Nick Rashby and CION designer Jon Thornhttp://www.fdtimes.com/2015/01/13/aja-cion-factory-tour/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) Looks like there's a big price drop over the summer: http://www.redsharknews.com/production/item/2613-aja-cion-stunning-price-drop-now-just-$4995 Edited May 27, 2015 by Brian Drysdale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael LaVoie Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Initially I saw that camera as a competitor to Red and Arri products but they didn't position themselves that way at all. They kind of lonewolfed it as a camera that shoots a "final image" on the day and that's it. Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 I gather that the Cion can do better than people may think and grading is possible (but seemingly easier with some grading programs than others), although you do have to understand the camera's settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 This may give some extra info: https://www.aja.com/assets/support/files/2978/en/AJA_CION_10_Helpful_Hints_v1.0.pdf RAW requires an external recording device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael LaVoie Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 This may give some extra info: https://www.aja.com/assets/support/files/2978/en/AJA_CION_10_Helpful_Hints_v1.0.pdf RAW requires an external recording device. "Cion can output AJA RAW 4K" Uh... yeah but to what exactly? A shogun?, an Odyssey? As far as I know this is still an unsolved mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted May 27, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted May 27, 2015 Welp, I'm shooting with one next Thursday, so here's hopin' P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 The Cion Manual for v1.1 says: "CION also offers the ability to output raw sensor data via the SDI 1-4 Main Output connections or the Thunderbolt connection. NOTE: Raw output is dependent upon specific CONFIG menu parameter selections. AJA's Corvid Ultra hardware and TruZoom software may be used to record the 4K or UltraHD SDI raw output from CION up to and including 120Hz." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Adrian Sierkowski Posted May 28, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted May 28, 2015 Let us know how it goes Phil. I've been dying to hear some in field info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) Seems that Odyssey Cion RAW support was upcoming on 15th April: https://convergent-design.com/company/blog-news/entry/convergent-design-combines-all-odyssey7q-and-odyssey7q-raw-record-options-into-odyssey-raw-bundle.html Edited May 28, 2015 by Brian Drysdale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted May 28, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted May 28, 2015 Can we have standardisation of raw please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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