Coronavirus: How will productions change how they shoot during the near/mid term future?

[Brian Drysdale]

UK broadcasters have one method for making dramas: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52501156

[Jon O'Brien]

7 hours ago, Richard Boddington said:

I want to do that, just so I can make an announcement in the Canadian trades that I am pulling business out of Ontario due to their on-going stupidity.

R,

Not too many elephants here. How would you go with a movie set in the Australian bush. I could help you somehow. Advance man, that kind of thing ?

[Jon O'Brien]

8 hours ago, Phil Rhodes said:

First, get a work permit for Australia.

Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

[Jon O'Brien]

7 hours ago, Richard Boddington said:

I want to do that, just so I can make an announcement in the Canadian trades that I am pulling business out of Ontario due to their on-going stupidity.

R,

And i'd be laughing at a certain, er, politician, over that, er, way. Won't mention any names.

Edited May 4, 2020 by Jon O'Brien

[Miguel Angel]

On 5/3/2020 at 10:16 AM, Manu Delpech said:

A lot of promising developments here, Variety or THR have made comprehensive articles listing all the countries where productions are ongoing or starting up soon. Seems to me that quarantining the cast and crew the way BBC is proposing around the sound stages is the best way to be able to get going with big productions (some big movies are supposed to shoot for example in the UK or start: The Batman, Fantastic Beasts 3, The Little Mermaid, several Star Wars shows too later) and allowing actors in a scene to interact normally.

The whole rewriting scenes (that some shows are doing right now) in order for actors to be able to stand 1.5 meters away from each other (which by the way is not enough, studies have shown that the 6 ft distance is bogus as droplets can travel up to 6-7 meters from shouting, or coughing or whatever) is ridiculous and too constricting creatively. 

On those big productions shooting for several months, as long as everyone agrees, it's a darn good idea, no strays wandering off set going god knows where ? Temperature checks are not enough though as asymptomatic carriers don't necessarily display a fever, same with some regular carriers. A daily test is a good way to go, with really reliable tests, as some have a margin of error. 

By the way, Oxford is saying they will know by June, July if their vaccine works, if all goes well, there could be hundreds of millions of doses produced by late 2020, they are building new facilities to boost the production. 

 

@Miguel Angel I see movie theaters are set to reopen in early August in Ireland too. I think Nolan can kiss his Tenet July release goodbye. 

I can't wait to go to the cinema! 
Either in Dublin or London or in Spain. 

Theatres in Spain are scheduled to reopen on May 25th (if everything goes well). 
Theatres in Czech Republic will open next week.  

July is a really far away date in terms of what we are living through nowadays.

If Nolan wants to release Tenet in July and the cinemas are open, I'll go and watch it twice!  (if I still have money ?) 

[Feli di Giorgio]

9 hours ago, David Peterson said:

What about departments that need to work together, such as wardrobe and sound?

That's a job related reason to fraternize with another department.

 

I should have been more clear, because I was talking about socializing across departments etc.

 

[Feli di Giorgio]

Does. else feel that this situation will impact production and tax incentives for shooting US shows in Canada? Between travel restrictions and an economic downturn that could erode support for tax incentives in Canada it certainly seems like a possibility.

 

 

[Jon O'Brien]

11 hours ago, Richard Boddington said:

You have snakes, wild dogs, and crocs, that's fine I can work with that.  And Mel Gibson roaming the desert, does he ever leave? Why doesn't he get a hotel?

R,

Ha! Crocs are fine. You'd know all this but will just outline some things for other readers if they're interested. I'm really experienced in the 'real' bush. In Australia, up north (and sometimes not even all that far north), be cautious of even freshwater waterholes along rivers as the big salties sometimes sit it out there for a while. They can be mega huge. They eat cattle and horses, and the odd heron and so on as a small snack. Go down to water's edge with bucket on the end of very long, strong cord. Chuck bucket in and haul out. Yes you will lose water from bucket but do not for any reason approach water's edge. Camp very, very far from water. It's worth the extra drive. Crocs can take people from their tents. Wild dogs and spiders and snakes, no problem at all. Biggest problem is often death adders - they just sit there, lazy as can be. Do not step on one whatever you do. Brumbies stomp on them and kill them if they see them. Worst snakes are generally the boring, common browns which are nearly everywhere, but there are a few that are even worse. At night, always use mozzie net with very small gaps (mozzies will actually wriggle through some nets - I've watched 'em do it in the torchlight) and make sure to tuck net very definitely under your bedding all around so you don't end up with a spider or scorpion or indeed snake in there with you. Happened to a friend of mine - had a common brown in his swag. Swag is just a bedroll, though these days some are like small tents. And that's it, really.

Could help any filmmakers - just send a PM if ever interested. Also completely at home in the city and in any social environment at any level - remote outback to big city boardroom.

Edited May 5, 2020 by Jon O'Brien

[David Peterson]

South Africa is open for business again:

https://www.juicefilm.tv/news/south-africa-reopens-for-filming-2

 

13 hours ago, Feli di Giorgio said:

Does. else feel that this situation will impact production and tax incentives for shooting US shows in Canada? Between travel restrictions and an economic downturn that could erode support for tax incentives in Canada it certainly seems like a possibility.

Am sure the general economic crisis across the world will lead to many countries cutting support for the arts
 

Edited May 5, 2020 by David Peterson

[Daniel D. Teoli Jr.]

A film production crew is kinda like a family. In this post pandemic world you may have to be sequestered as a film family for the duration of the production and not have any contact with the outside world. Everyone allowed into the film family will have to be checked out for the corrosive virus before hired then put in a lock down community with the crew. If you are not in lock down, then you can bring the virus into the family at any time.

Don't know how practical it is, but if you want to do your art, then you may have to suck it up and accept it. The stores and restaurants in some cities are already checking for temps before allowing entry. It may be the new normal. 

 

Edited May 5, 2020 by Daniel D. Teoli Jr.

[Leanne Summers]

On 4/27/2020 at 5:31 PM, Richard Boddington said:

Did you drive a car today?

Interestingly some researchers from Stanford University are arguing that the risk of dying from CV isn't much different that the risk of dying in an accident for those under 65.  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.05.20054361v2.full.pdf

" Therefore, for the majority of countries around the world and for the majority of states and cities in the USA, the risk of death from COVID-19 this season for people <65 years old may have been even smaller than the risk of dying from a car accident during daily commute. "

 

[Brian Drysdale]

Their figures seem to be coming from the deaths during the current lock downs, which will be a lot lower than if the virus was given a free reign and people didn't apply social distancing or the government applied testing and tracing at an early stage as in South Korea.

Edited May 10, 2020 by Brian Drysdale

[Tyler Purcell]

10 hours ago, Leanne Summers said:

Therefore, for the majority of countries around the world and for the majority of states and cities in the USA, the risk of death from COVID-19 this season for people <65 years old may have been even smaller than the risk of dying from a car accident during daily commute. "

Few things. 

1) The entire world is on lockdown. So just imagine how bad of an outbreak there could have been, if we weren't. 

2) People are dying from the virus, having never left their house. 

3) There currently is no considerable testing being done in the US. The average is 200,000 new tests a day.  We need to be doing over a million a day to make any impact on discovering who and who doesn't have the virus. Until we do, more and more people with pre-existing conditions will die. 

4) As of today, we've had more deaths than a 12 month period of the yearly flu, that's WITH lockdown in place. 

 

[Uli Meyer]

1 hour ago, Richard Boddington said:

Not Sweden, they said fudge it.  Their economy is in great shape, the USA is a total train wreck, from 3.5% unemployment to 15% unemployment in 6 weeks.  That's 33 million Americans out of work.  It will take 2-3 years for the recovery to be complete in the USA , maybe longer.

R,

 

Richard, you got it wrong. Their economy is down, the same as the US.

From the FT:
Economists at Swedish bank SEB estimate Sweden’s GDP will drop 6.5 per cent this year, about the same as the US and Germany, but a little better than Norway and ahead of 9-10 per cent falls in Finland and Denmark, all of which have had lockdowns.

The price for that was TRIPLE the death rate compared to neighboring countries.

Edited May 11, 2020 by Uli Meyer

[Brian Drysdale]

1 hour ago, Richard Boddington said:

Not Sweden, they said fudge it.  Their economy is in great shape, the USA is a total train wreck, from 3.5% unemployment to 15% unemployment in 6 weeks.  That's 33 million Americans out of work.  It will take 2-3 years for the recovery to be complete in the USA

The Swedes have a different society to that in the USA and they don't have huge cities like New York. They also seem to have been carrying out voluntary social distancing, working from home etc, but it's still early days and their death rate compared to their population size is higher than other Scandinavian countries. There's also still the risk of a second wave and future unknowns.

[Uli Meyer]

19 hours ago, Leanne Summers said:

Interestingly some researchers from Stanford University are arguing that the risk of dying from CV isn't much different that the risk of dying in an accident for those under 65.  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.05.20054361v2.full.pdf

" Therefore, for the majority of countries around the world and for the majority of states and cities in the USA, the risk of death from COVID-19 this season for people <65 years old may have been even smaller than the risk of dying from a car accident during daily commute. "

 

Your argument doesn't make a lot of sense but if you insist on comparing traffic accidents with a virus pandemic, please consider this:

When you want to drive a car, you need to learn and adhere to a vast amount of restrictions and rules. Speed limits, traffic lights, safety belts etc. etc., all designed to protect lives. People die when those are ignored.

The restrictions put in place in regards to the coronavirus pandemic are also designed to save lives. People die when those are ignored.

 

 

 

Edited May 11, 2020 by Uli Meyer

[Dom Jaeger]

18 hours ago, Richard Boddington said:

 It's just too bad critical thought was thrown out and people decided to believe media fueled mass hysteria instead.

What the hell are you on about? It’s governments and health authorities that are directing the response to this pandemic, not the media. It’s based on science, on the best medical advice we can muster. Your ongoing commentary here is worse than the dimmest shock jocks on Fox News. No-one wants to be in this situation, but most of us are adult enough to accept the temporary hardships for the benefit of our communities as a whole. 

[Uli Meyer]

12 hours ago, Richard Boddington said:

Their economy is in great shape, the USA is a total train wreck

You said Sweden's economy was in great shape and were proven wrong. Now you say it was worth having three times as many deaths for an economy that isn't in great shape and only slightly less worse than their neighboring countries?

And you still haven't grasped the difference between the flu and an unknown and unpredictable virus. That is just sad.

[Uli Meyer]

37 minutes ago, Richard Boddington said:

Hmmm, because if someone dies from "regular flu" or C-19, they are um, still...dead.

R,

Okay Richard, one more time.

The flu has been around for a long time and can be treated. Every year there are flu vaccinations available which save lots of lives. In some countries they are free. In other countries they're not and that, combined with not taking the whole thing seriously,  puts people off from getting a flu jab. That is why there are lots of people dying from the flu every year but the numbers are predictable. The common flu won't suddenly spread like wildfire, we know that. And if it did, we could treat it and stop it.

This new virus is unpredictable. Even now we still don't know how it functions and why it causes certain symptoms. Since it has crossed over from animals to humans it has apparently started to mutate. There is no telling what can happen. There is no treatment (no, injecting bleach doesn't work) and no vaccine. It is common sense that we should do everything possible to prevent further spread before the situation becomes catastrophic. Anything else would be foolish.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 11, 2020 by Uli Meyer

[Uli Meyer]

Wooosh...

[Brian Drysdale]

Covid 19 also kills blue collar workers more than white collar in the UK.

There are differences with flu that can cause Covid to spread more quickly, plus it has a higher mortality rate:   https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/question-and-answers-hub/q-a-detail/q-a-similarities-and-differences-covid-19-and-influenza#:~:text=Mortality for COVID-19,quality of health care.

South Africa seems to have use of its experience with HIV in reacting to Covid 19 https://www.ft.com/content/98d0d7c6-9bfb-4a64-bcab-19e0854a3b4d

[Jon O'Brien]

It's really simple. Okay, covid-19 is here. It's the new reality. The other reality is that people are really suffering and people can't pay their rent. Some people are going crazy. Countries have two choices. Get back to work and live with the damn thing or convert to socialism somehow and create a new world order. Those are the choices. I don't mind wearing a bloody face mask. I couldn't care less either way.

[Dom Jaeger]

13 hours ago, Richard Boddington said:

Your fellow Australians think the lock downs were a pile of baloney:

So based on one interview with some wack-job nobody on the Australian equivalent of Fox News (which nobody here watches) you think we all believe that? Is that how you decide what’s real or not?  With that sort of intellectual rigour I’m surprised you haven’t mentioned the role of 5G towers and Bill Gates’ plan to microchip us all.

Most Australians are pretty happy with how we’ve dealt with this actually, and the latest poll I read had only 11% of people wanting to rush back to easing all restrictions. We’ve had virtually no demonstrations other than very small bands of conspiracy nuts. It helps that our government quickly introduced payment schemes to allow stood down workers to continue being paid an income and doubled the unemployment benefit for any others out of work. I was stood down 6 weeks ago, but still get paid a living wage, and I’m busy home-schooling my kids and getting things done around the house. 

Like many I’m worried about how some industries will recover (not just ours), but hopeful we’ll work things out as we go along, even if it takes a while. The last thing we need in my opinion is people spreading misinformation like how it’s all a big con fed by “media-fuelled hysteria”, with the insinuation that we’re all gullible idiots for believing doctors and wanting to keep our vulnerable citizens safe. 

[Miguel Angel]

"The UK government has given the green light for high-end TV and film productions to resume shooting as soon as employers have put in place coronavirus safety measures"

https://deadline.com/2020/05/uk-film-tv-uk-government-coronavirus-plan-1202931107/

[Jeremy Cavanagh]

 

21 hours ago, Richard Boddington said:

Your fellow Australians think the lock downs were a pile of baloney:
 

 

Sky News is the Australian Fox news mini-me, not to be taken seriously.

 

As to Sweden, its a different society from North America and anyway they are all commies in Sweden and law abiding commies at that.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Jeremy Cavanagh
wrong paste