Jaan Shenberger Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 (edited) i dunno if this is too sensitive of a topic, since they're an advertiser on this site, but... has anyone gotten a HD telecine direct to hard drive, flat or best light, particularly 16mm, from bono labs? http://www.bonolabs.com/ feel free to private message or email me if you don't feel like discussing it on the board... thanks, jaan Edited September 10, 2005 by jaan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Dean Myles Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 We recently used them for a commercial project. Kodak 7245 and 7212 transferred direct to hard drive. Tim Bono is great to work with and very informative. Excellent service and so much better than BetaSP or Digibeta. Four main guidelines: 1) You must make absolutely sure your editing system can handle the 10-bit uncompressed footage. It will not play in realtime without a server array with a fiber channel card (like the Xserve RAID). We're running an Apple system with Dual 2.7 GHz and 8 GB of RAM and an Aja Kona2 card. You'll have to downcovert the footage otherwise. They also offer a DVCPro HD codec. 2) If you get the flat transfer, make sure you have a good color correction program and plenty of time to spare. From experience, I'd have them do a best light and match to a grey card. You get more information from the flat transfer, but it's a trade off. 3) Make sure you have plenty of time to complete your project. They do not rush their services and only conduct business through the mail and UPS/FedEx. 4) Read EVERYTHING on their website. It really answers every question and is highly informative. Take note of their policies and procedures. He's got a great history of HD on there, too. Best regards, Ashley Dean Cage XXI Enterprises, Inc. www.cagexxi.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaan Shenberger Posted September 10, 2005 Author Share Posted September 10, 2005 thanks ashley. any chance of you posting/emailing a still from the flat and/or best light footage? thanks again, jaan also, i forgot my email address in the initial post... jaan (at) jaanshen.com thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chainsaw Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Sure, I'll pull some stills off tomorrow and post them. I was really left breathless the first time I viewed the footage on our 30" HD monitor, even with the flat transfer. I will never go back to BetaSP or Digibeta transfers. Ashley Dean Cage XXI Enterprises, Inc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Dean Myles Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Ooops. Sorry about that, but Chainsaw and I always post from my laptop and I sometimes forget who's logged in. Ashley Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Dean Myles Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Jaan, here's a frame grab from the 10-bit uncompressed anamorphic flat transfer of our super 16mm footage. If you'd like to see more, I'll email them to you. I figured with the grey card you could al least see how much color correction is needed. Ashley Dean Cage XXI Enterprises, Inc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Dean Myles Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 It appears that they are too large to post. I'll email them to you instead. Ashley Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lary Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 It appears that they are too large to post. I'll email them to you instead. Ashley Dean <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ashley, I was considering BonoLabs as well. Would you mind emailing me the sample images, too? If you want, I can host them for you on my server so you can link to them from the forums - that way you can avoid bothersome requests from folks like me. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Dean Myles Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Sure, Mike. What's your email address? Ashley Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lary Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Sure, Mike. What's your email address? Ashley Dean <{POST_SNAPBACK}> mike@oxygenhabit.com Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen lamb Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Ashely, I hate to bug you as well, but i am also considering Bono labs, thanks for your tips so far, fantastic stuff. Do you know anything about how good the DVCpro HD codec is? Any possibibity you could also email pics or just let me know when they get posted? stevie_o54@hotmail.com. Thanks for your help:) steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Dean Myles Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 I emailed tiff's to both of you from the un-corrected, 10-bit uncompressed anamorphic flat transfer. As to the DVCPro HD codec... we also had them send some test footage to us with that codec a while back. It's more than suitable and if you're going back out to D5 for broadcast, etc. that's the codec you would use. Bono Labs requires that new customers do a 'test drive'. They'll send you a portable drive with various examples of their transferred footage, both 10-bit uncompressed and DVCPro HD. Of course, you'll have to provide them with a credit card for a refundable deposit plus a few bucks for shipping and handling. By doing this you can compare the footage directly and find out if your editing system can handle it. Let me know if you've got any more questions :) Ashley Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chainsaw Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 For all of the interested here, in a few days (Friday at 3:00 actually) the footage in question will be completely timed, corrected and edited so either Ashley or I can show before and after shots. I can also provide processing, exposure, filtration, lighting and other relevant cinematographic info for said shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Williamson Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 For all of the interested here, in a few days (Friday at 3:00 actually) the footage in question will be completely timed, corrected and edited so either Ashley or I can show before and after shots. I can also provide processing, exposure, filtration, lighting and other relevant cinematographic info for said shots. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sounds great, I'm very interested to see how the stuff looks, any of your impressions about the final footage would be great. Any images you can post would be helpful also. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Burke Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Sounds great, I'm very interested to see how the stuff looks, any of your impressions about the final footage would be great. Any images you can post would be helpful also. Thanks! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have delt with Bono on three occasions now and have nothing but praise and a tinglely feeling inside. Serious though, I have used the SD transfer to hard drive and for lower budgeted stuff that look great as well. the telecine to hard drive is the way of the future I believe. I will be using them for a short I have coming up. we will be using the HD to hard drive option. I recommend them to anyone, but as it has been stated before, you need to check out everything with your system before proceeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Leavitt Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 (edited) I'm anxious to see some stills as well, but I can for wait them to be posted. Edited September 15, 2005 by Marco Leavitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zrszach Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 I'm anxious to see some stills as well, but I can for wait them to be posted. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yes please :D me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Dean Myles Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Ok! The uncorrected images are on my website now. Next week I'll upload the corrected stills and final cut as per the final edit handed to the client today. They loved it, thank goodness. http://www.cagexxi.com/flattransfer.html Ashley Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jef bryant Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Excellent. Is there any chance you could post one at full size and uncompressed, rather than the smaller jpegs? I'd love to see how well it responds to my color correction tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Dean Myles Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Sure! I'll post them on Monday (they're at the office and I'm at home). I hope you have a large monitor, because they almost fill up our 30"... Ashley Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chainsaw Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Well the editing is done and both the client and ad agency love it. I took around sixteen frame grabs from the original flat-pass uncompressed footage, the color-corrected re-framed NTSC edit, and even a few BTS shots taken from a DVX-100 for comparison. I tried to get the exact same frames from both the original uncompressed and the corrected NTSC downconversion. I put all of these on a memory stick and of course I forgot it at the office. If I have my wits about me around this time tomorrow I should have these images either posted here or on an FTP site. The file size is rather large and should probably be kept that way for an objective comparison. Hopefully these shots (while not the most exciting in the world) will prove somewhat enlightening. I will also try and dig up my lighting plots and camera reports and post those as well. All in the interest of completion. Until tomorrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Glenn Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 did you and ashley manage to post corrected and hi-res stills? Definitely want to see how it looks! Well the editing is done and both the client and ad agency love it. I took around sixteen frame grabs from the original flat-pass uncompressed footage, the color-corrected re-framed NTSC edit, and even a few BTS shots taken from a DVX-100 for comparison. I tried to get the exact same frames from both the original uncompressed and the corrected NTSC downconversion. I put all of these on a memory stick and of course I forgot it at the office. If I have my wits about me around this time tomorrow I should have these images either posted here or on an FTP site. The file size is rather large and should probably be kept that way for an objective comparison. Hopefully these shots (while not the most exciting in the world) will prove somewhat enlightening. I will also try and dig up my lighting plots and camera reports and post those as well. All in the interest of completion. Until tomorrow... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Dean Myles Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 OK, I finally got the links up. http://www.cagexxi.com/flattransfer.html Ashley Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Glenn Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 HMMMMMMMM ........ I wish there was a 2k scan to compare the telecine to. Any chance of showing a video clip? Thanks anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaan Shenberger Posted September 28, 2005 Author Share Posted September 28, 2005 hey ashley & tony, thanks for posting those for us. i was able to get the "X6.tiff" flat transfer sample, but the other flat transer samples seemed to have problems when i downloaded them. it looks like they are only partial files. when uploading them, your session may have gotten cut early... or am i the only one that can't open them? thanks again, jaan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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