Tim Singlestar Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Here’s a scene from one of my favorite movies, Slumdog millionaire. At 21 seconds we see a film technique that’s been driving me nuts. What is happening here? How did they accomplish this look? Is it frame rate? Is it slow mo? Is it a sort of hyperlapse? How are they doing this. I’ve seen this technique before. Usually dreamy like this, sometimes it’s used in flashback or memory scenes. I must know how to do this. Can anyone help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heikki Repo Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Looks like small shutter angle and low frame rate to me :) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted August 12, 2021 Premium Member Share Posted August 12, 2021 When you make a 24 fps shot into slow-motion in post, you get that steppy / stuttery quality from the lack of frames to create smooth slow-motion. The effect gets stronger the more you slow down the footage by repeating frames. But you can also get that effect by shooting at a lower-than-24fps frame rate and then slowing it down (repeating frames) to get back to normal speed. You get that steppy / stuttery look from the lack of frames needed to create smooth motion. You can call it a lack of temporal resolution. You can use a shorter shutter angle too to increase the stutter. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted August 12, 2021 Premium Member Share Posted August 12, 2021 It's the process of holding each frame for 2 frames. So AA BB CC etc. You can also hold for 3 frames like AAA BBB CCC. Either way, it's a very common way of making slow mo out of a shot that's not over cranked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted August 12, 2021 Premium Member Share Posted August 12, 2021 That's actually not always two, sometimes it's three, but you can choose your frame rate to taste. No idea how they ended up with that result. It looks like real time to me so I'd propose that it was shot at (say) twelve then step printed back to 24. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Singlestar Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 Thanks everyone. I took your advice and gave it my best shot. I’m uploading the video to YouTube now so I can share a link of what I’ve come up with using your advice. Check back soon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Singlestar Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 I shot this clip at 24fps and 1/100 shutter speed. I don’t yet technically know how to double my frames in Premiere Pro, but I’ll learn tonight. In the mean time. Your guys’ advice led me to a deeper understanding of shutter angle and for that I thank you. “Once you know the rules, you can break them.” - I’ll add one more video to this as I refine the look. Thanks so much guys. I’m glad to be a part of this community already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Klockenkemper Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) This is a fairly easy query to look up - there were short sequences shot as stills with the Canon 1D Mark III, which has a burst mode capable of 10fps. The different gamma from the 24fps footage is also a minor tell. https://shotonwhat.com/cameras/canon-eos-1d-mark-iii-camera This article gets the frame rate slightly wrong: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-mumbai/slumdog-crew-took-to-the-streets-of-mumbai-idUKTRE49T37T20081030 Quote Even with approval, the production was keen on keeping intrusion to a minimum and used multiple cameras to make that happen. Because walking around with a photographic camera was more accepted than a movie camera, Dod Mantle sometimes used a Canon Cam -- a high-res stills camera that can shoot up to 12 frames a second -- for scenes that required a heightened sensibility. Edited August 13, 2021 by Daniel Klockenkemper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Dimitrios Koukas Posted August 13, 2021 Premium Member Share Posted August 13, 2021 Foreground not moving a lot, backgound is. So you need both to make this work for you. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Roy Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) Along the same inquiry, what would the effect be shooting a 5fps at 45° shutter? How significantly would motion blur be reduced? Edited August 13, 2021 by Kevin Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted August 13, 2021 Premium Member Share Posted August 13, 2021 Do the math... 5 fps / 180 = 1/10th. 5 fps / 90 = 1/20th. 5 fps / 45 = 1/40th. So the blur would be determined by the 1/40th of a second shutter time, not too far from the amount of blur at 24 fps / 180 = 1/48th. However, the number of motion samples per second would be only 5 instead of 24, so a lot of steppiness, just less streaky steppiness at 45 degrees instead of 180 degrees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Roy Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 15 hours ago, David Mullen ASC said: Do the math... 5 fps / 180 = 1/10th. 5 fps / 90 = 1/20th. 5 fps / 45 = 1/40th. So the blur would be determined by the 1/40th of a second shutter time, not too far from the amount of blur at 24 fps / 180 = 1/48th. However, the number of motion samples per second would be only 5 instead of 24, so a lot of steppiness, just less streaky steppiness at 45 degrees instead of 180 degrees. Understood. Thanks for that. I'm considering what's the least motion blur, at the slowest frame rate possible. So with the math in mind, 8 fps / 45 = 1/64th looks to be where I need to be. Experimenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted August 14, 2021 Premium Member Share Posted August 14, 2021 But that look in the Slumdog clip relies on a distinctive blur to some extent. But if you want a different effect of steppy, staccato, choppy motion but with less streaking, sure, use a shorter shutter angle to compensate. Things might start to look more pixelated, i.e. like stop motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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