david jenewein Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 hi there, i am about to shoot a short film and unfortunately the kodak vision3 500T, which i intended to use, is sold out in london. as the 200T is still available, i am thinking about using this one. there are quite a few low light situations within this film, so probably would need to push the film. thats why i wanted to ask if anybody has experience in which direction the film will change in regards to contrast, saturation, grain and the look in general? how does it change pushing +1stop and +2stop? would be great to get some advice on that. thanks so much, david Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted August 16, 2021 Premium Member Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) Yea I've shot and pushed 200T a stop, it's perfectly fine. It has smoother blacks than the 500T does. It's a very different stock than the 500T, I really like it. Just remember, one stop ain't much. You're talking about preserving detail in the blacks mostly. Where with 500T, you don't NEED to do that, the blacks detail is higher no matter what. But I don't push 200T like I do 500T in the blacks. I find it becomes undefined. Here is a shot we pushed a bit over 1 stop, maybe 2? Don't know because we did 1 photochemically and I pushed it further in the scan. I'll say this much, it was F.7 on the meter and I shot it at F2 lol It's 5213 3 perf 35mm. Edited August 16, 2021 by Tyler Purcell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted August 16, 2021 Premium Member Share Posted August 16, 2021 Just keep in mind that pushing a stock doesn't increase its sensitivity, you are just taking information that got captured and increasing its density, so the contrast increases as you sort of stretch out the information you have by making the highlights brighter. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karim D. Ghantous Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 AFAIK, negative film doesn't need pushing if it's being scanned and not printed - in theory, at least. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david jenewein Posted August 17, 2021 Author Share Posted August 17, 2021 9 hours ago, David Mullen ASC said: Just keep in mind that pushing a stock doesn't increase its sensitivity, you are just taking information that got captured and increasing its density, so the contrast increases as you sort of stretch out the information you have by making the highlights brighter. thanks for letting me know david, i didn't look at that like this before. definitely good to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david jenewein Posted August 17, 2021 Author Share Posted August 17, 2021 12 hours ago, Tyler Purcell said: Yea I've shot and pushed 200T a stop, it's perfectly fine. It has smoother blacks than the 500T does. It's a very different stock than the 500T, I really like it. Just remember, one stop ain't much. You're talking about preserving detail in the blacks mostly. Where with 500T, you don't NEED to do that, the blacks detail is higher no matter what. But I don't push 200T like I do 500T in the blacks. I find it becomes undefined. Here is a shot we pushed a bit over 1 stop, maybe 2? Don't know because we did 1 photochemically and I pushed it further in the scan. I'll say this much, it was F.7 on the meter and I shot it at F2 lol It's 5213 3 perf 35mm. thanks for sending the still of your film, looks great. and yeah pretty good that it still works when reading f7 but shooting on f2. also interesting what you say about pushing the 200T and the differences to the 500T, will keep that in mind. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted August 17, 2021 Premium Member Share Posted August 17, 2021 14 hours ago, david jenewein said: thanks for sending the still of your film, looks great. and yeah pretty good that it still works when reading f7 but shooting on f2. also interesting what you say about pushing the 200T and the differences to the 500T, will keep that in mind. cheers F point 7 (F.7) So shooting at F2 is a bit over a stop under exposed. Plus we weren't very cautious about background lighting. This was a re-shoot and we had no crew, no budget, no resources. My gaffer used 2 LED panel's to light a scene that was originally lit with a 4k HMI from 100ft way using bounce light. Mind you, if you watch the final movie, the average audience would never notice the difference because all that actress's coverage is missing the street light. To me it's "odd" but hey, most movies have odd shit like that in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted August 18, 2021 Premium Member Share Posted August 18, 2021 Tyler, it goes: f/0.7… f/1.0… f/1.4… f/2.0, so that’s 3-stops underexposed if your meter said f/0.7 and you shot at f/2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Sekanina Posted August 18, 2021 Premium Member Share Posted August 18, 2021 On 8/16/2021 at 2:07 PM, david jenewein said: unfortunately the kodak vision3 500T, which i intended to use, is sold out in london. Frame24 still has 13 rolls of 500T in stock: https://www.frame24.co.uk/online-store/Kodak-16mm-Vision3-400ft-122m-500T-7219-p99568633 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted August 19, 2021 Premium Member Share Posted August 19, 2021 22 hours ago, David Mullen ASC said: f/0.7… f/1.0… f/1.4… f/2.0, so that’s 3-stops underexposed if your meter said f/0.7 and you shot at f/2.0 Ah got ya, I thought for some reason it was .7 straight to 1.4. Didn't know about the 1.0 step between them. Thanks for the correction. Honestly I think it was below .7 anyway, the meter doesn't go below that. Usually it says "under" but it didn't this time, it just said .7. I'm sad I had no 500T at the time and my actors were in a rush to shoot it that moment, oh well. It's not the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david jenewein Posted August 26, 2021 Author Share Posted August 26, 2021 On 8/18/2021 at 9:32 PM, David Sekanina said: Frame24 still has 13 rolls of 500T in stock: https://www.frame24.co.uk/online-store/Kodak-16mm-Vision3-400ft-122m-500T-7219-p99568633 thanks david, we managed to get all the film we needed and shot on the 22nd. looking forward to the results, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david jenewein Posted August 26, 2021 Author Share Posted August 26, 2021 On 8/17/2021 at 11:01 PM, Tyler Purcell said: F point 7 (F.7) So shooting at F2 is a bit over a stop under exposed. Plus we weren't very cautious about background lighting. This was a re-shoot and we had no crew, no budget, no resources. My gaffer used 2 LED panel's to light a scene that was originally lit with a 4k HMI from 100ft way using bounce light. Mind you, if you watch the final movie, the average audience would never notice the difference because all that actress's coverage is missing the street light. To me it's "odd" but hey, most movies have odd shit like that in them. oh, got that one completely wrong initially then which f stops you were reading. thanks for explaining again though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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