Matt Pacini Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 I wonder how much it will cost? Maybe I can afford two of them (yuk yuk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Keith Mottram Posted May 9, 2006 Author Premium Member Share Posted May 9, 2006 Hello there, As I was browsing the LEMAC website I bumped into Penelope ! Here is the link : http://www.lemac.com.au/sales/AATON/AATONF.html You'll find a video preview of the camera on JP Beauviala's shoulder. It is confirmed that the cam will be 4,3 and 2 perf. Enjoy ! Gregory thanks for the link. got to be honest this camera is beginning to give me the horn..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konvict Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Isn't 2 perfs designed to give a 2.35 ratio ? So that you actually print 35 mm anamorphic (4 perfs) or 70 mm ? Now I think you're dealing with frame height of 16mm film in kind of a cinemascope look. It might be economical to shoot but the quality might suffer in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shutter bug Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Now I think you're dealing with frame height of 16mm film in kind of a cinemascope look. It might be economical to shoot but the quality might suffer in the end. dont forget that heaps of films used to be shot this way, and they loked great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Stephen Williams Posted September 10, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted September 10, 2006 Hi All, I had expected to see Miss Penelope at IBC. Sadly she did not have the right clothes, and failed to make any appearance Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Laurent Andrieux Posted September 10, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted September 10, 2006 There is the new "Xtera" instead... http://www.camera-forum.fr/index.php?showtopic=1019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Stephen Williams Posted September 10, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted September 10, 2006 There is the new "Xtera" instead... http://www.camera-forum.fr/index.php?showtopic=1019 Hi, That was there but it's only an upgrade I think! Not many people on the Aaton stand. Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kukla Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Is the Xtera the same as the XTRprod2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Laurent Andrieux Posted September 12, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted September 12, 2006 I don't especially know this camera, nor have I been to the IBC... You french speaking guys should comme around here if you want to learn more about it : http://www.camera-forum.fr or here : http://www.afcinema.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Gross Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Is the Xtera the same as the XTRprod2? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chatelet Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Hi there, here is a link to the Xterà's leaflet (in english) : http://www.afcinema.com/IMG/pdf/Xtera-Sept-2006.pdf I'm a bit confused because they claim Xterà to be an upgrade of Prod but I noticed some heavy changes : the Stop/test/start jog is supposed to have switched over side (by the way I can't see that in there picture)... Regarding the Penelope (and at random) : - the shipping seems to be delayed to late 2007 at least ; - cinematographer Raymond Depardon is testing a beta Penelope near Grenoble ; - Aäton still considers 4 perf as an option for special demand, not as a standard built on every camera. But it still may evolve... ; - 2 perf workflow conclusive tests ?involving Aäton, Kodak, the french lab Eclair and a documentary project shot in the south of Spain? have been made last spring : with a 35-III modified for 2 perf ; a sound recorder Cantar ; no clapper, just AätonCode ; and AudioLink installed on the Keycode reader of the Eclair's Spirit telecine machine to resynchronize the rushes. Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Gross Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 The XTRprod is indeed fully upgradeable to an Xtera. The controls on the operator side do not change. The "dummy" side of the camera is radically different, with all the new electronics, videotap and dual battery mount. The front casting is new and the 11-position shutter is now standard instead of an option (the old standard was 7-position). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Laurent Andrieux Posted September 22, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted September 22, 2006 I'm a bit confused that this thread (35 mm/penelope) is derivating on the S16/ Xtera camera... Notice there's already a topic about it, here : http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/in...showtopic=17004 I apologize since I seem to be the one who started this derivation here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chatelet Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) Hi there. A picture of the (almost) final iteration of the Penelope has just been posted on Aäton website. It now realy seems like a 35mm XTR/Xtéra, doesn't it ? Edited April 6, 2007 by Thomas Chatelet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Laurent Andrieux Posted April 6, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted April 6, 2007 Nice way to justify my derivation, Thomas, thanks ! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Adam Frisch FSF Posted April 7, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted April 7, 2007 To be honest - it looks like a slightly souped up straight Aaton 35III..... Anybody know what the price might be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Paul Bruening Posted April 7, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted April 7, 2007 I got all my cheese sunk into 2-perf. I'm all for it. Boogy-on, Penelope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kukla Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Ah, they took too long to get this one out the door. Now Arri's already released their 2-perf movement for their cameras, I've lost my excitement for the Penelope. (Plus you can run 1000' mags with Arri.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted April 8, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted April 8, 2007 Now Arri's already released their 2-perf movement for their cameras Where did you read that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Keith Mottram Posted April 8, 2007 Author Premium Member Share Posted April 8, 2007 Ah, they took too long to get this one out the door. Now Arri's already released their 2-perf movement for their cameras, I've lost my excitement for the Penelope. (Plus you can run 1000' mags with Arri.) even if arri were to convert their current range to 2 perf, there is no camera in their range to compete with penelope, the 235 would be closest in weight but it is non sync. the great advantage for users as far as i can see will be in hand held/ docu style shooting and for that the penelope still seems incredibly exiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kukla Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 (edited) Where did you read that? I saw them at the BSC show. They're already out. They even are advertising it in the British Cinematographer magazine. When I talked to the reps, they said that Arri Media and CSC were the first two getting it, so I have no clue when the LA roll-out will be; I'm guessing the London and New York branches were tapped first since they are the obvious markets where this would be ideal for first. --- I don't know Keith; I don't see the 35 Aaton getting out that much to begin with, so I have my doubts that the Penelope will be so wildly successful on those merits alone. Plus let's face it, few documentaries shoot on 16 anymore, much less 35. If I need a lightweight camera for 35, I'd rather use a Moviecam SL or Arricam LT. Any case, I wish 2-perf in all its incarnations the most success. Edited April 8, 2007 by Jon Kukla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted April 8, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted April 8, 2007 I saw them at the BSC show. They're already out. They even are advertising it in the British Cinematographer magazine. When I talked to the reps, they said that Arri Media and CSC were the first two getting it, so I have no clue when the LA roll-out will be; I'm guessing the London and New York branches were tapped first since they are the obvious markets where this would be ideal for first. Do you mean that they are offering 2-perf movements for all their Arricam line, plus the Arri-435? I wonder how switchable that movement is for the rental houses like Clairmont or Otto Nemenz, or will they have to bite the bullet and permanently have some 2-perf versions the way they usually just keep 3-perf and 4-perf cameras around for rental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kukla Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 Do you mean that they are offering 2-perf movements for all their Arricam line, plus the Arri-435? I wonder how switchable that movement is for the rental houses like Clairmont or Otto Nemenz, or will they have to bite the bullet and permanently have some 2-perf versions the way they usually just keep 3-perf and 4-perf cameras around for rental. The advert only lists the Arricam ST, LT, and Arriflex 235, although I could've sworn that I heard someone there mention the 435... In any case, I've always been under the impression that all the movement blocks were very modular and relatively easy to change out - but not easy enough that you'd want to do it in the field unless you were a trained tech. Therefore, I'd have to assume that they'll make some dedicated 2-perf cameras. My guess is that Clairmont will be the first in LA to get this, since they have more direct relations with Arri, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kukla Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 Here's the advert, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chatelet Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 Modifying a camera in 2 perf doesn't seem to be a real problem. I realy think the main purpose of the penelope is to provide a light, silent, modular (2, 3 or 4* perfs) and cheap tool. I don't know if they're still going to price it like their 16 mm camera, but that's what JP Beauviala claimed in the beginning of the penelope's developpement-odyssey. *On a french forum, K. La Vaullee made me notice that, on this new picture, the viewfinder is probably a PSTechnik one (historicly used for anamorphic shots) and that the mount was in PV. A clear sign to say that the 4 perf option hasn't being forgotten, isn't it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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