Pavan Deep

Excellent. I have been a fan of the Keystone Criterion cameras for years, they are incredibly simple, but yet capable of great results. What lens did you use? Pav

In my opinion an ACL would be better for sync sound than a Bolex and there are many that have been modified for Super 16.

I am reluctantly selling my favourite compact zoom lens, the Angenieux 17-68mm f/2.2 in a C mount, with the C mount adapter and its reflex "dog-leg" viewfinder. If you have a non-reflex 16mm camera this could very well the best zoom you can have. This lens has been very well looked after, it has been refurbished, it is extremely clean with no dust, fungus, mould or element separation, it gives sharp, great images. On the plus side it fully covers Super 16. The lens comes with front and back caps, 'dogleg' viewfinder and the rare c mount adaptor. Angenieux 17-68mm f/2.2 in a C mount | eBay Pav

I have decided to sell my favourite compact zoom lens, the Angenieux 17-68mm f/2.2 in a C mount, with its own reflex "dog-leg" viewfinder. If you have a non-reflex 16mm camera this could very well the best zoom you can have. It's in perfect condition, it gives great sharp, good contrast and colour images and on the plus side it fully covers Super 16.

I think the lack of transparency here is a huge issue and has fuelled many rumours. There have been lots of stories about increased bad practice since the new ownership and an increase lack of ‘trust’ from customers, with lots of people who have paid Orwo for new B/W film have either had to wait months to receive film or are still waiting and then there have been these huge prices increases and when you contact them there's no reply. Then there have been murmurings that this new colour stock could actually be Lucky film from China, this is very unlikely as Lucky hasn't made film for a few years, and supposedly destroyed their film coating machines and haven’t got the infrastructure to make film anymore. It’s more plausible that new film is made by InovisCoat - Filmotec, ORWO’s parent company recently merged with InovisCoat, a German film manufacturer that was created from the break-up of Agfa that produces technical and specialist films such as Metropolis for Lomography. It seems that the new Orwo colour film certainly shares similar characteristics with Metropolis, I suppose the way to know is by getting this new film and using it comparing it Metropolis. Pav

Great stuff, it really shows what we can achieve with 16mm, from an anthropological point the subject is very interesting too. Pav

This sounds interesting, I am eager to see the details, I am not so sure about the price tag, it seems over engineered. Do we need all the features? I would be much happier with something like their ‘Gentoo’, but in Super 16. Pav

I thought I’d start a new thread about whether there's a need for a new 16mm camera, bearing in mind that there’s a huge difference between want and need. Would a new smaller and simpler 16mm camera be popular, I suppose it has to be affordable which might be impossible, but it doesn’t have to be elaborate with tons of features, a single speed of 24fps, natively Super 16, small and light for easy loading of 100ft daylight spool. Pav

Yes I have on the a-cam, but the viewfinder is not the issue, I'm pretty okay without a reflex, but it's the complicated loading path in such a small space that's a pain, you manually have to thread the film through the sprockets and gate and then carefully pass it across to the take up which is on the other side pushing the film under a set of rollers, the take up side has its own door, loading film takes too much time and you waste a lot of film. Personally I just think loading 100ft should be easier. http://www.analoguefilmacademy.co.uk/acam.htm Pav

I have used both; the EMP and the a-cam, both very good but have their little quirks, neither has a reflex viewfinder. The a-cam does produce steadier Super 16 images though, but it's a real hassle to load, a great looking camera but quite impractical. Pav

Why should everything have to be commercially motivated, I know we are all trained to think practically and to stay within norms and conventions, but passion is what we all need. I know there are a lot of people wanting to get a small Super 16 camera. Perhaps a small simple Super 16 camera that is affordable is needed. Many want to get a Bolex, but most of them aren't Super 16 and they are expensive, so many end up with the K3 and whilst a few love them most just get disappointed with them and walk away from film. Pav

Brilliant I wonder where that prototype is now. pav

I agree this Minima prototype will certainly sell, I've never heard of it or seen any pictures of it before this. Have you got any more information or photos of it? Pav

I was wondering about the quality of 35mm, it’s generally accepted that perf 35mm motion picture film is great quality. In still photography 4 perf is the same as half frame and people always say that half frame 35mm is awful quality. Why is the case? Is 35mm still film different. Pav

There's been a lot of talk in Facebook groups that there weren't enough orders for the Super 8 camera, I emailed Logmar this morning and they confirmed that the 'Gentoo' camera has been cancelled. They said they are working on a new Super 16 camera a hybrid between Gentoo and Rockhopper, a sound sync camera, and that they expect to launch it later this year. Other than this I have no more information, whether it will be a basic camera or one packed with features, or what kind of price will it be. Pav

It looks like after the cancellation of the GentooLogmar are working on simpler Super 16 camera, a hybrid between Gentoo and Rockhopper. Pav

I think the price is what will put many off, it seems to be common for many to use Super 8 only a few times and for that a decent used Super 8 camera like the Canon 1014XLS [which is usually expensive but not that expensive] is perfect . Now if this was a 16mm camera people might be more willing. Pav

I agree, I think while digital has gone mainstream I do think film especially 16mm shot well makes your project more special.

Thank you both, I discovered that working with a non reflex isn't that hard, you do rely on 'gut' instinct and you keep in mind the slight parallax error, so what you see in the viewfinder won't always match what you're filming and you do have to adjust and guess for that. You know everything will be in focus when we measure and when there's plenty of light and when using wider lenses and a 25mm lens things are easier. I do have a dogleg lens; the Angeniuex 17-68mm, but on this occasion I didn’t use it, it's a great lens but I think the 25mm Switar is sharper and much smaller making everything neat and compact, my only regret is I didn’t use a tripod. Pav

I've been out filming with a non reflex camera, the Cine Kodak K100, the gate was machined for a wider Super 16 image, measuring and guessing distances for focusing was nerve racking, but it worked. It's truly an amazing camera which is seriously "underrated", there were no light leaks the images are incredibly steady and the camera runs very quietly. https://vimeo.com/708706363 Pav

I have been looking at old colour systems. Has anyone here ever used this old system from ABTO technology, apparently you could shoot on regular black and white film using their special filter mounted behind the lens in a 16mm camera then project it on a projector telecine chain with their filter mounted in front of the film but behind the projector lens and the colour camera on the telecine chain would pick-up the image and produce colour video image. Pav

The 240 is a great camera, I have the one that takes c mount lenses not the EE,The camera is a simplified version of the 70's Here is some recent footage ; https://vimeo.com/user563804 http://www.analoguefilmacademy.co.uk/About.htm Pav

I am trying to sell some. Pav

I am with you regarding the ACL, it's my favourite in so many ways. Pav

I know, it's pretty unbeatable, it's the best out there, and is the most sought after Super 16 camera, whenever 16mm is used for a film or television series they tend to be shot on the 416. Pav