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This thread is awesome. Just found it, and have enjoyed reading all of it. Thanks! Pappas Michael Pappas Arrfilms@hotmail.com http://www.Myspace.com/PappasArts PappasArts & Arrfilms Main site XLH1 and HVX200 frame grabs and news here: http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms http://www.PappasArts.com CONTACT VIA AOL INSTANT MESSENGER AT { PAPPASARTS2 }

Here are some basic/boring frames from testing today. This is color tests for my client to obtain a unique look! These are straight from the HDV tape to SD card and no post work either. All natural lighting too. The HD footage actually is sharper than this because the jpeg capture to SD card from HDV tape is not as clean as importing a clip via firewire. http://homepage.mac.com/pappasarts/.Pictures/IMG_0591.JPG http://homepage.mac.com/pappasarts/.Pictures/IMG_0587.JPG http://homepage.mac.com/pappasarts/.Pictures/IMG_0596.JPG http://homepage.mac.com/pappasarts/.Pictures/IMG_0589.JPG This is an up-convert to 3840x2160. This would be done normally for effects work. Holds up very well too! Image is large! http://homepage.mac.com/pappasarts/.Pictures/3840x2160.jpg Michael Pappas Arrfilms@hotmail.com http://www.Myspace.com/PappasArts PappasArts & Arrfilms Main site CONTACT VIA AOL INSTANT MESSENGER AT { PAPPASARTS2 } XLH1 and HVX200 frame grabs and news here: http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms http://www.PappasArts.com

Brian, If you can, try the 13x wide on the JVC! Wow! Yeah it's sharp with the Fuji 16x, however drop on the 13x wide, and the JVC gets even better. The JVC is pro to bone I like to say. I don't like the look of my XLH1. It's knobs and buttons are consumer blahhhh. It's built tough, and the XL series has 9 years of development on internals and reliability. I know the canon team, and their tech never sees many XL systems. They have had some time to refine the system. That said, the JVC though is my favorite all around. The JVC is more closer to the rigs I have been working with for 20 years. If the JVC had the bigger frame, no question it would be the JVC all the way for me. Next time JVC will go to 1080 I'm sure- and i can't wait! Keeps us updated on your films! Pappas

However Brian the SDI is a true 1920x1080 24F/progressive PsF to whatever codec you want via SDI. The JVC can never output a frame twice as big to get where the H1 is just starting.... Brian if you have doubts of it's Progressive--- - Scott Billups also had this to say about Progressive """He also had high praise for 24F, saying it is indistinguishable from film motion and 24P""" As he said ( And 24P )..... Brian do you own one of these cameras? Brian- Billups also put up full frames from the SDI vs HDV of the same res chart and green a blue screen fabric tests as well a color chart. There is only a marginal difference which is amazing and very telling of how good Canon designed their Mpeg2 codec engine parallel with their Digic processor from their DSLR systems. Pappas

To add to that; Billups said this as well about the 24f mode: """He also had high praise for 24F, saying it is indistinguishable from film motion and 24P. I also heard him saying to the Canon people after the event that he wouldn't of have come and talked about the camera in this light if he didn't really believe in its abilities for film work ... truly great words from an industry guy ...""

I was talking about it's 24F/Progressive capture that is PsF into a 1080i host. However if you capture the file from FireWire it's true 24FPS not PsF at all! That's what I was talking about, sorry I didn't clarify! As I said since I own both, I can be a very good judge of both cameras. We run both signals to the Sony BVM-A24E1WU 24-Inch HD monitors and it's no secret in 24FPS which one is the sharpest and has the most detail. However what Scott Billups said today is worth gold for Canon. Here are a few observations from an event in NewYork. However we here knew this since we work with these cams daily. One thing is for sure with all these great cameras to pick from; It's become an embarrassment of riches. ---- Galvan Wrote: Scott Billups story! So I went to a Canon presentation today in NYC that had many of the major Canon people responsible for the XL-H1. They had a full presentation on the XL-H1 along with footage that was shown on these huge 50+" HD screens. All I can say is DAMN ... what nice looking stuff. I'm certainly glad I purchased this camera. But what was interesting was Scott Billups was also at the presentation and gave a mini presentation himself on his thoughts on the XL-H1. He surprised me a little on some of his comments in regards to the camera. He did a lot of comparisons between the Canon and the Sony F900, saying that going out of the HD-SDI to a high quality recording format from the Canon gave superior results than from the Sony F900 HDCam. He also showed comparisons of the Canon alongside the Thompson Viper and said that the difference in quality is so little, it's really unbelieveable. And watching the footage from both cameras side by side at the presentation certainly showed what he meant. Another thing that was interesting to me was that he actually said that the CCDs of the Canon are very comparable to the CCDs of the F900, saying that even though they are 1/3" chips, they are so new and represent the latest in this technology and they are very similar to the quality of the Sony's 2/3" chips. When someone asked him about the lattitude of the camera, he also said that the lattitude of the XL-H1 was pretty much equal to the F900, when coming out of the HD-SDI. Regardless, he gave nothing but praise for this camera, and was seriously adament about its abilities, especially for work destined for a filmout. It was interesting to hear this from someone like himself. __________________ Galvan

My findings as well. Since I own both the HD100 and XLH1. I get to test them daily and see the nuts and bolts on the res. Pretty much within a nod of each other as res is concerned if you leave them in there generic frame size. XLH1 is cleaner under blow up tests. However the biggest of them all is the Resolution Convergence Factor. Converging detail is nearly twice as large on the H1 because the frame of the H1 is larger! When we import efx work from the HD100, and up-convert to 1080p the frame gets softer where as the H1 is at it's starting gate at 1080p. We can up-convert the H1 to Cineon files whereas out HD100 just can't go anywhere near that. If the HD100 with it's same ccd sent out to a 1080p frame size, that would have been awesome. Here you can see the cams in action: http://homepage.mac.com/pappasarts/PhotoAlbum4.html Clips from both cameras Here: http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSha...&cty=US&lang=en Michael Pappas http://www.Myspace.com/PappasArts Arrfilms@hotmail.com PappasArts & Arrfilms Main site CONTACT VIA AOL INSTANT MESSENGER AT { PAPPASARTS2 } XLH1 and HVX200 frame grabs and news here: http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms http://www.PappasArts.com http://www.Myspace.com/PappasArts

Hi Shannon! Maybe you can answer this question since you own Firestore. Is it possile to play out firestore via SDI connector for playback on the set? Can you also playback from FS into the VF to make sure you got the shot? Thanks Shannon! Pappas

So true David. I was consulting a director about this very thing. He kept saying I will run the H1 to a SR deck. I said you can rent a basic Pro HD cam package cheaper than that deck! Duh! The great thing about the H1, is it does it cheap, and the quality is very astounding for the cost! SDI in studio is cheap though. BlackMagic for 500 bucks and you can capture effect plates shots in jpeg 2000 or P-jpeg at 100%! However HDV is the key to this camera for on location work. Now if someone comes out with a SDI recorder like Firestore. mmmm, this could be nice. However that's just dreaming about vaperware! Michael Pappas Arrfilms@hotmail.com PappasArts & Arrfilms Main site CONTACT VIA AOL INSTANT MESSENGER AT { PAPPASARTS2 } XLH1 and HVX200 frame grabs and news here: http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms http://www.PappasArts.com http://www.Myspace.com/PappasArts

Robert Sanders is right; don't jump to any conclusions. However Canon does it, it's not a de-interlace. Canon is very smart at this so they have developed an amazing formula to make it work. Below are Pics from Billups own tests. I also recommend going to Sanders web site and checking out his night time 2:35:1 ( which is my favorite aspect ratio ) footage looking over the skyline in LA. Excellent stuff! Here are the tests and story: http://cineform.blogspot.com/ http://www.cineform.com/downloads-other/ColorChart-D2D.zip http://www.cineform.com/downloads-other/ColorChart-HDV.zip http://www.cineform.com/downloads-other/FabricChart-D2D.zip http://www.cineform.com/downloads-other/FabricChart-HDV.zip http://www.cineform.com/downloads-other/ResChart-D2D.zip MORE XLH1 FOOTAGE AND FRAME GRABS: LINK: http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSha...&cty=US&lang=en You will need this VLC player to view m2t's http://www.videolan.org/ Michael Pappas Arrfilms@hotmail.com PappasArts & Arrfilms Main site CONTACT VIA AOL INSTANT MESSENGER AT { PAPPASARTS2 } XLH1 FOOTAGE AND FRAME GRABS: http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms http://www.PappasArts.com http://www.Myspace.com/PappasArts

The 16X works great. I have shot all this footage in the links below with the 16X manual. HERE ARE THE LINKS TO XLH1-16X MANUAL LENS FOOTAGE: http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSha...&cty=US&lang=en STILL FRAMES DIRECT FROM HDV TAPE TO SD CARD FOR JPEG CAPTURE! http://homepage.mac.com/pappasarts/PhotoAlbum4.html Michael Pappas Arrfilms@hotmail.com PappasArts & Arrfilms Main site CONTACT VIA AOL INSTANT MESSENGER AT { PAPPASARTS2 } XLH1 and HVX200 frame grabs and news here: http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms http://www.PappasArts.com http://www.Myspace.com/PappasArts

Here is the Sony usa press release on the HVR-Z1U http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/5327 http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/5331