Don Norberto

They do work with the Alexa. But as I've mentioned a while ago, to me, it looks most organic with the bmpcc, surprisingly. We've also tested them on Red. Forgot the model but it worked. It just looked crappy.

it's also ok on S16 somehow...I've used them for 16 film 35 years ago and now with bmpcc :-)

Hi, I'm looking forward to your tests. Would it be possible for you to post a pic of the second variation of the lense (1:2). I have three different 10x12B but this one I don't know. Even with my lenses, that only differ in the mount, and therefore in the adapters (Arriflex, Cameflec and c mount adapted to mft in my case) the quality of footage is different. These are vintage glasses we're talking about and each of them has it's own character. Thank you, cheers BTW We had a cinema look test some weeks ago and Angenieux in Paris had sent us some feedback on our test clips shown in a cinema in an 2.3:1 aspect ratio. They were totally surprised and excited about the results produced by their oldschool glasses (their words). The didn't expect the look to be so beautiful and gave congrats. That meant a lot to me and my team who aleays aimes for a nice cinematic look with an organic 70s feel, without trying hard in faking it in post.

Josh, agreed.

fully agree beside the fact that film is film and video is video. But video can also have the "cinematic" look, as you described. The worst thing for my eyes is using digital gear and trying hard to achieve an organic film look. Even if the movie is ok it will destroy the mood. But who am I? Maybe this will become the next aestetic main stream...from limitation to success...

ahh, yes your right, forgot to say it's aesteticwise when trying to achieve the socalled filmic look. With the 4k it's hard when shooting vintages almost too hard and the raw footage shot with modern glass will give you (me) a bigger chance in post. With the pocket (in my trsts only with the pocket) it's so very easy and beautiful using some of the old cine c mounts. Just try and compare. It's just amazing how big this difference is. Btw I am talking about big screen. I'm not expert for online video and all these theoretical and practical compression issues etc. Maybe no prob for web didtribution. cheers

Thank you, you got me right :-)

Listen to Satsuki! Absolutely right. If you shoot film you have to know how to shoot a movie. Most videographers don't have that background. No "digital" cinema cam, no matter how expensive, will do that job for us. And if the whole world of young filmmakers try to produce "filmic" look in adding digital grain...it really sucks! Film is film, movie is movie. I never saw that weird grain on real film beside improper stored or very old filmstock. It's like putting dirt on a film to show it's film...or like grade in bw, turn off any sounds and play an old piano... I shot on 16 and 35 shorts and features 35 years ago...I had wished to have that quality all the time that a stupid bmpcc and vintage glass gives me nowadays, specially when it comes to develop, grade and edit (cut). Don't worry about gear! Make movies! Storytelling, talents, lights, camtechnics and most important your art! Shoot and shoot and shoot! Less talking and pseudointellectual discussions about analog, digital, silver and poop. Shoot a movie on film if you can, on video if you like and then become a better filmmaker or not. Show it in cenemas and your in another world. Show it in the net only or on tv screens and you can do whatever ypu want. That's never film/cinema. Different stories. **(obscenity removed)**! Let's go out and do something we like. Ther's no right or wrong! We all have our own taste and way to express. Those "teachers" and mother**(obscenity removed)**ing theoretical wimps just spoil your time. I'm too old to die young and I'm just trying to motivate young people who like film to spent their time making film/videos whatever. Make, don't talk. And don't give a **(obscenity removed)** if you don't like it right away. That's part of the experiance! Sorry , I should ease my language but wtf why :-). Cheers!

For me it's a matter of taste and what you want. If you want a cinematic "film" look, there's no way around cine lenses...best the vintages like Angi, Zeiss etc. For Zoom lenses the Angi 10x12 is my favourit when it comes to organic look and handling. When shooting Primes and bmpcc I love the Schneider 25 0.95 (of course !) and the Kern lenses (except the 16mm) and some modified juvels. If you like to see some of my tests with bmpcc and vintages, check out my vimeo uploads. https://vimeo.com/162997042 If you want the most easy and most digital lense/Zoom for your bmpcc to shoot viideo you can choose the Sigma 18-35 with Speedbooster and also a fast Canon glass. That's just my opinion and taste. Best is to try and shoot and shoot and shoot.... anyways your skills count. cheers, The Don

Hi, just read the post and I'm not sure if your talking about Angenieux and bmpcc here...so, if my opinion is not helpful, just skip it. I'm coming from 16 and 35 film in the 70s and 80s and I've tested hindreds of lenses to achieve my taste in digital cinema. I also knoe Cal personally btw. He's a good guy. To make it short: I decided that the Angenieux Zoom 10x12 is MY choice to shoot with when I go with the pocket. It is perfect with that cam. When I shoot Red and Arri, or even the Ursa 4k its useless. I've uploaded some tests to vimeo,mfeel free to leave your comments, feedback apreciated. And as always: It is a matter of taste. It's just my experiance when it comes to Angi and bmpcc compared to any other lense, including the Sigmas, Canons,mZeiss and whatsoever. I'm talking about Zoom only. Cheers https://vimeo.com/162997042

nice! Yeah you have to crop a bit and...perfect! I also love this lense!

The 16-80 does lots of vignetting and the image is not as sharp and good as the 18-90. The best, but also most expensive, rare and not easy to mount, for bmpcc is the 10-100 Pro version 2.0. The footage beats everything. https://goo.gl/photos/A69T7JEfx956U4ER9 If you need one just let me know. Sincerely, Don

Hi Shawn, I own the 10-100 changed to mft in brandnew condition. It works beautiful. Much much better footage than any Sigma 1.8 with speedbooster etc. It's factory modyfied c to mft and covers perfectly 25 up. Below that with light vignetting. If you want it, tell me. 1.5k only.

best wide prime for bmpcc is the Kern 10 mm c mount...but hard to handle focus. The colour and texture of the images are better right off the pocket than 99.9% of all so called cinematic clips with the sigma and speedbooster gadgets. I've tested hundreds of lenses with the pocket. If you go for vintage and cinematic the Kern should make you happy.

got a similar problem before. I decided to try to open, clean and close it by myself. It was quite easy. If you break it...throw it away. It's worthless anyway and this way you get some experiance.