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So I was thinking about getting a Beaulieu R16. Looks to be a fun camera, and they can all fit a magazine on top. However, I've been told that they can only hold 200 foot daylight spools, which I haven't seen for sale on line. So here are my questions. If I had empty 200 foot spools, could I halve a 400 foot reel from a core in a darkroom? Well, I know it's possible but my concern is knowing when I've reached the 200 foot mark. How would I measure that in a darkroom? The other question is probably more of a camera question, but if I wanted to for whatever reason could I use a 100 foot r90 spool in the 200 foot mag? Not as important of a question as the first one, but nice to know. Thanks all!

So, I finally got hold of a Beaulieu 4008 ZM II for a friend's production but despite working perfectly, being pristine, with a crystal clear Schneider Kreuznach 1.8 / 6-66 zoom and even a working rechargeable battery... I DON'T LIKE USING IT! The main problem is that I adore shooting Super 8 handheld and I just don't feel comfortable holding the 4008, as I struggle to get a good grip on the tiny handle. It works like a dream and is nice to operate in many ways but I feel like I'm almost balancing the camera uncomfortably on my hands rather than actually holding it whilst shooting. I know a few fellow Film-makers who adore the 4008 but I literally can't get to grips with it! Should I possibly add a larger grip underneath? Attempt to clutch hold of the camera differently? Or simply consign it to a tripod? Or am I doing something wrong? This beautiful piece of kit doesn't feel as instinctive to use in my own (not that large) hands. :unsure:

Hey all, So I contacted Pro8mm about the picture below featuring a dual eyepiece from a 4008. They said it was a custom customer accessory and they didn't have or know how to find these. Anyone out there know where to get one of these things?

I have various S8 Canon AF310 : 8.5 wide angle is too short Beaulieu 6008 Pro : Heavy for travel. Chromatic abberation in tele position Canon 1014 xl-s : too heavy and I have not very sharp images in low light Sankyo Em60XL : chromatic abberation in "tele" position but compact, 24fps !, good in low light. Tremor when I Took over this camera Sankyo ES 44XL : 18fps only ! but sharp Nizo 481 : viewfinder dark in low light, I have special cell but I dislike this system. The silver aspect is good for this camera. Canon 514 xls : I don't know I'm traveling tomorrow in Thailand and I don't know which to take, I'm looking for the most sharp, light weight. I will move a lot. I have Vision 3 50D and 200T, 500T Thank you for your quick help ;)

Hello everybody ! I've been looking around for some times in this forum, and recent topics about new cameras, either film or digital, with a super 8 frame size, gave me an idea. As those new cameras relaunched the interest in Super-8 designed lenses, I thought it would be cool to have some kind of exhaustive list of all interchangeable lenses manufactured for Super 8. Just to be perfectly accurate, I'm only interested here on legacy lenses that were marketed specifically for Super 8 cameras, CCTV and 16mm lenses are out of scope. Here's what I managed to find, please tell me if some are inaccurate or other are missing. Actually, I found this list raises a lot of questions, with a lot of mysterious, extremely rare lenses on which there's too few information. So let's try to make this list together the more accurate possible if you please ! Mounts are given following this nomenclature : C : C thread mount M : Leica M bayonet mount M42 : Praktica thread mount P : Pentaflex 8 mount (1) Angénieux Paris - Zoom 1.9/8-64 C - Zoom 1.2/6-80 C - Zoom 1.4/6-90 C - Macro 1.4/15-90 C (2) Beaulieu - Zoom Macro 1.4/6.9-55 C (3) Fuji Photo Film Co. - Fujinon MA-Z EBC 1.8/7.5-75 C - Fujinon SW EBC 1.8/5.5 C Isco Göttingen - Iscorama 1.8/10 C (4) Schneider Kreuznach - Variogon 1.8/8-40 C - Variogon 1.8/7-56 C - Optivaron 1.8/6-66 C/M - Macro Cinegon 1.8/10 M - Variogon 1.8/6-180 C (5) - Optivaron 1.4/8-50 C - Optivaron 1.4/6-70 C Shinsei Optical - Shinkor Zoom 1.8/6.5-65 M42 (6) Carl Zeiss Jena - Pentovar 2/8-32 P - Flektogon 2/5.5 P - Flektogon 2/12.5 P - Biotar 2/25 P - Sonnar 2.8/40 P Notes : 1. Don't know if this mount can be adapted to C. 2. Seems from the focal range like a 16mm lens, but the large aperture seems to say otherwise. Never seen one of those. 3. Made in Japan, but actual manufacturer is unknown. Could it be Bell & Howell/Mamiya ? Kowa ? 4. Actually an assembly of a Schneider Cinegon and an Isco anamorphic adapter. 5. Prototype, don't think it reached production. 6. Don't know if this lens fits standard M42 to C adapters since its rear lens protrude inside the mount in a specific way. The Kowa 1.8/12.5-75 was marketed with some Pathé DS8 cameras but is actually designed for 16mm. I found no information concerning lenses marketed with specials cameras like the Mekel or the VIC. Seems likely they were sold body only. All in all, It seems there's never been more than 20 distinct lenses types marketed for Super 8 (of only 7 brands), with about a third being easily findable. This contrasts with the hundreds of lenses made for 16mm. Looking this way, a Super-8 sized digital sensor doesn't seem really pertinent as the park of lenses available is very limited, mostly hard to obtain, and quality wise with no real advantages over its big sister other than big zoom ranges of compact size, since almost no primes were made. But now, should we include too regular 8 lenses ? Some regular 8 cameras like the Beaulieu MR8 had C-mount lenses, but it is not known, at least by my little knowledge, if they would cover Super 8. Some Bolex H-8 REX series has successfully been converted to DS-8 but their RX-type lenses are designed to only work with their matching cameras. Still it helps leading to think that regular 8 lenses can cover Super-8. Another example of successful conversion is the factory made Pentaflex DS8. The Ercsam Camex cameras, also in regular 8, had their own kind of mount which I don't know if they're adaptable to C. All other 8mm cameras with interchangeable lenses have a D-mount, with a too short focal flange to be adapted. In another way, I don't think the extremely few Arri ST modified for DS8 had special 8mm lenses made for them, it seems more likely they just had classic 16mm lenses. Now, I'm calling for your knowledge, hoping to discover some lenses I didn't see ! Best regards, Tom

ACS custom machined hand grip extension for the Beaulieu 2008/ 4008 line of cameras. Modeled after the original Beaulieu grip extension. Attaches to the camera via 1 1/4-20, stainless steel, socket head screw. A 3/16 Allen wrench is required for attachment and removal. Unit has been powder coated black and has 1, 1/4-20 mounting hole on the bottom of the grip for attachment to a tripod. Unit price is $100.00 with free shipping to the lower 48. No other items is listed for sale. Sorry, but couldn't upload photos. Email questions to s.king@americancinespec.com. Photos available via email.

ARGH!!! :o Well, my colleague Andy only paid £109 GB Pounds plus shipping via eBay for a cosmetically fine Beaulieu 4008 ZM II but I also purchased a new cell, a grip/handle and charger at over £100 GBP. After shooting two test carts without any problems (other than feeling a little odd to hold it) the whole camera now seems to have seized up and yet it was sold as tested and fully functional. By all accounts, I'm looking at somewhere between £200 to £300 for a service/repair plus the shipping/customs charges on top of that. So I've asked the seller to kindly refund £50 (and I'll keep the two Tri-X carts that came with it) and then the Beaulieu can sit on the shelf as an expensive paperweight for now. I really do hope that the seller accepts this? I fully appreciate it was cheap to start with but I will push for a possible return and a full refund otherwise. As it's all so disappointing and I've already given Andy back his £123.45 in full. Am I being fair on the seller and will it even be worth even trying to get this Beaulieu fixed later on? Bill

Beaulieu R16 Angenieux 12-120mm lens, custom battery pack and 200ft reel ebay auction ends on sunday: http://www.ebay.co.u...984.m1555.l2649