Guest santo Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 :lol: okey-dokey alex. whatever you want to believe. it's a waste of time to argue with religious fundamentalists that the Earth is not 6000 years old, too. you're both entitled to your beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Alessandro Machi Posted March 19, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted March 19, 2006 I'm glad to hear about your memories of your college days 20 some years ago. It's too bad they don't match with reality. They were developed at one of the world's leading labs for black and white motion picture film. You know, I like you , Alex. You're a funny guy. I don't think most people appreciate your humour, but I do. By the way, that black and white film was Decoy for Terror, which just won an experimental film award at the Rutgers Super-8 film festival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest santo Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 how come the stills from that film look so terrible? Is that on purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filip Plesha Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Santo, were you the one that has been offering 10 000 dollars to film-shooting forum, or was that someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Alessandro Machi Posted March 19, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted March 19, 2006 how come the stills from that film look so terrible? Is that on purpose? By terrible do you mean dark? One of my computer monitors shows them as dark, but another monitor shows them with more subtle gray scales. It seems so much easier to keep television monitors calibrated than computer monitors so I don't know which one to trust. Does it look too dark to others as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Sweetman Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 :lol: okey-dokey alex. whatever you want to believe. it's a waste of time to argue with religious fundamentalists that the Earth is not 6000 years old, too. you're both entitled to your beliefs. unless you created the earth, or perhaps you know who did, it is impossible to know 100% that the earth is more than 6000 years old. It is my observation that (like the film stills) you often employ diversionary arguments to detract from your innacuracy. If you are indeed accurate, it seems that you are not on account of your pointless diversionary tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted March 20, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted March 20, 2006 unless you created the earth, or perhaps you know who did, it is impossible to know 100% that the earth is more than 6000 years old. You could make that argument about anything. What, being 99.99999999...% sure that the Earth is older than 6,000 years isn't good enough? Read this: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Halloran Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 By terrible do you mean dark? One of my computer monitors shows them as dark, but another monitor shows them with more subtle gray scales. It seems so much easier to keep television monitors calibrated than computer monitors so I don't know which one to trust. Does it look too dark to others as well? They look great on my monitor. And certainly better than any of the sludge that M'Lord has posted. Hey Santo, please post some more stills of "the door" from this big "project" you're working on. :lol: Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ian Marks Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Okay, I haven't read all the other posts in this thread (I already have the beginnings of a headache from the "Japanazoom" thread), but I did want to say that the "overexposed" example looks like the best of the three to me. If this is a white or off-white door, it is certainly the one that is correctly exposed. Remember that if you use the TTL meter in your camera, even if it is spot on accurate, it is trying to create an overall 18% grey exposure. If you're taking a reading off of a very light or very dark object, you need to compensate. The classic example of this is when you shoot a predominantly white, snowy landscape. If you rely on your internal meter, your results will be grey and muddy (and of course this is going to be especially apparent on reversal film, where there's no opportunity to correct for exposure in the printing process). I find it helpful to carry an 18% grey card with me to assist with metering, along with a hand held meter that takes incident readings. A Macbeth color checker is nice to have too. This is photography 101 stuff, so please don't try to tell me otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filip Plesha Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Okay, I haven't read all the other posts in this thread (I already have the beginnings of a headache from the "Japanazoom" thread), but I did want to say that the "overexposed" example looks like the best of the three to me. If this is a white or off-white door, it is certainly the one that is correctly exposed. Remember that if you use the TTL meter in your camera, even if it is spot on accurate, it is trying to create an overall 18% grey exposure. If you're taking a reading off of a very light or very dark object, you need to compensate. The classic example of this is when you shoot a predominantly white, snowy landscape. If you rely on your internal meter, your results will be grey and muddy (and of course this is going to be especially apparent on reversal film, where there's no opportunity to correct for exposure in the printing process). I find it helpful to carry an 18% grey card with me to assist with metering, along with a hand held meter that takes incident readings. A Macbeth color checker is nice to have too. This is photography 101 stuff, so please don't try to tell me otherwise. I agree. It looks to me that the third picture is correctly exposed, the first is underexposed by a stop and the second picture is underexposed by two stops, but that too is relative Nothing is gained in reversal film from one stop underexposure, much less from two stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon-Hebert Barto Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 unless you created the earth, or perhaps you know who did, it is impossible to know 100% that the earth is more than 6000 years old. It is my observation that (like the film stills) you often employ diversionary arguments to detract from your innacuracy. If you are indeed accurate, it seems that you are not on account of your pointless diversionary tactics. Dear Jesus, Why did your dad put dinosaur bones in the earth? -Jonnie Dear Jonnie- Nice to hear from you. Been awhile. In response to your querry, dad put Dinosaur bones on earth just to question your faith. Write back soon. Its been too long. -Jesus P.S. Stop touching yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Hal Smith Posted March 21, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted March 21, 2006 Dear Jesus, Why did your dad put dinosaur bones in the earth? -Jonnie Dear Jonnie- Nice to hear from you. Been awhile. In response to your querry, dad put Dinosaur bones on earth just to question your faith. Write back soon. Its been too long. -Jesus P.S. Stop touching yourself. STOP IT - JUST PLAIN G*D D**N STOP IT! THIS IS A FORUM FOR CINEMATOGRAPHERS AND THEIR INTERESTS, NOT FOR SOPHOMORIC MENTAL DIARRHEA. :angry: Go find yourself a hate use group and get this C**P off this Forum. Or at least leave this kind of dreck in the Off Topic area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon-Hebert Barto Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Hate group? I don't feel hate, ever. This was a jovial response to another members post. My pastor actually told me this as an aside to a conversation we had about the book Genisis and the Darwin book Origin of the Species. He thought it funny, so did I. While the humor may be sophmoric there was no intent to piss you off. As for the validity of the post on this thread, your comments are duly noted. -Jonnie :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Hal Smith Posted March 22, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted March 22, 2006 Hate group? I don't feel hate, ever. This was a jovial response to another members post. My pastor actually told me this as an aside to a conversation we had about the book Genisis and the Darwin book Origin of the Species. He thought it funny, so did I. While the humor may be sophmoric there was no intent to piss you off. As for the validity of the post on this thread, your comments are duly noted. -Jonnie :) Duly noted. I was mad at just how far off topic this thread was getting, not so much at you personally. With respect to Santo's original post, the door looks very unevenly lit to my eye, a full stop from top to bottom maybe? Edmond, OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon-Hebert Barto Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Yeah, this shows how important it is to expose correctly for S8. (well, any film really...) And to light for S8.....But also how forgiving film stock in general is when overexposed. The overexposure shot is workable whereas the underexposed, well maybe it's good for a certain "look" but wouldn't fly as an accident in exposure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Sweetman Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 You could make that argument about anything. What, being 99.99999999...% sure that the Earth is older than 6,000 years isn't good enough? Read this: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html haha, so this is gonna be even further off topic, but what the heck, this thread can use it. So you're 99.9% sure of an old earth, I happen to be 99.9% sure of a young earth. I read that article and all those arguments are compelling and convincing. Everyone uses the same evidence, but everyone seems to have a different interpretation of it, and I have heard many very compelling and convincing young earth presentations. Perhaps we are both slaves to our presuppositions. Plus, if you believe in an old earth, you probably accept evolution, and geez, that theory falls apart faster than this thread has. Anyway yeah that door...now that's a door man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Ardenti Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 haha, so this is gonna be even further off topic, but what the heck, this thread can use it. So you're 99.9% sure of an old earth, I happen to be 99.9% sure of a young earth. I read that article and all those arguments are compelling and convincing. Everyone uses the same evidence, but everyone seems to have a different interpretation of it, and I have heard many very compelling and convincing young earth presentations. Perhaps we are both slaves to our presuppositions. Plus, if you believe in an old earth, you probably accept evolution, and geez, that theory falls apart faster than this thread has. Anyway yeah that door...now that's a door man I wish those two guys would start fighting again.... :-) www.alexardenti.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Sandstrom Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 While the humor may be sophmoric there was no intent to piss you off. it was funny, but since you're obviously religious we must hate you for saying it. only atheists can make such jokes, ok? /matt (?ti gniwollof txet cinatas siht htiw yllaicepse ,dekrow msacras eht fi rednow i) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon-Hebert Barto Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 it was funny, but since you're obviously religious we must hate you for saying it. only atheists can make such jokes, ok? /matt (?ti gniwollof txet cinatas siht htiw yllaicepse ,dekrow msacras eht fi rednow i) I didn't say I believed in god...Maybe I was trying to convert my pastor to atheism? :P No really, I'm an atheist but much of my family are Lutheran. I went to a Lutheran school until 1st grade, the whole thing. I actually like the pastors at church. Cool dudes. I just ended up a "nonbeliever". And I have no ill will towards the church whatsoever, and them, me. I can't remember one bad experience there as a child or ever feeling uncomfortable. Whenever I go there to pick up a family member, if I see Pastor Hawke, we'll get a little rap session going. Very fun. This conversation actually took place after a friends kid was baptised. P.S. Yes, I can read satanic messages. It all started when I was a kid and played my "BLOOD SAUSAGE" record backwards.... :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Wallace Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 P.S. Yes, I can read satanic messages. It all started when I was a kid and played my "BLOOD SAUSAGE" record backwards.... :lol: From the Meatmen? I have that record, what happens when you play it backwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon-Hebert Barto Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 (edited) :lol: No, no, no...It was a joke.( I was born with the ability to read satanic messages. ) The "BLOOD SAUSAGE" thing is a line Mary Stewart-Masterson says in the episode GO TO THE HEAD OF THE CLASS directed by Robert Zemeckis for the anthology tv series AMAZING ATORIES from 1986. I guess I'm the only who got it.... :( Edited March 23, 2006 by BARCA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Wallace Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 :lol: No, no, no...It was a joke.( I was born with the ability to read satanic messages. ) The "BLOOD SAUSAGE" thing is a line Mary Stewart-Masterson says in the episode GO TO THE HEAD OF THE CLASS directed by Robert Zemeckis for the anthology tv series AMAZING ATORIES from 1986. I guess I'm the only who got it.... :( HA! I thought you were talking about a real album (which I have on LP). See : http://www.tgrec.com/bands/band.php?id=80 (early Hardcore from Touch & Go) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Thompson Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 I amn disgusted at Santo. A picture of a door? What the hell is wrong with this man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Anthony Vale Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 I amn disgusted at Santo. A picture of a door? What the hell is wrong with this man? ---What's lurking behind the door? ---LV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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