Magnus Over-Rein Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Hi. I'm planning on buying a Bolex EBM 16mm camera. I am just wondering if this camera makes a lot of noise? Is it possible to record sound while filming with this camera? And also, how much is this camera worth. It's just the camera body, no lens, no batteries, no charger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Tyler Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 wondering if this camera makes a lot of noise? Yes, it does. It's not really loud, but it's loud. EBM's aren't crystal 24fps either so they're really not the best for sound recording. The camera body alone is probably worth $1400 or a bit more, but you're better off getting a package with a made-to-fit POE zoom, a battery, and a couple of 400' mags for a few hundred dollars more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Over-Rein Posted December 22, 2005 Author Share Posted December 22, 2005 Yes, it does. It's not really loud, but it's loud. EBM's aren't crystal 24fps either so they're really not the best for sound recording. The camera body alone is probably worth $1400 or a bit more, but you're better off getting a package with a made-to-fit POE zoom, a battery, and a couple of 400' mags for a few hundred dollars more. Alright... what kind of 16mm would you recomend as a first camera that is suitable for sound recording? What about the Bolex EL 16mm camera, is it any good? Or maybe some other camera? And again, how much should I be looking at paying for a suitable camera? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest santo Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Your two low cost choices for quiet enough for sound recording cameras are the same as they have been for a very long time in 16mm. Eclair ACL http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=7574295323 This one's well decked out with a super 16 conversion and brightened viewfinder ground glass, so it is on the high price end for these things. Look at about $2000 or so for one in serviced excellent condition. Drop the crappy Angenieux 12-120 and buy a few inexpensive old C-mount primes and you're going to get terrific results. Your second perfectly decent, but less desirable, choice is: Cinema Products CP-16r http://i12.ebayimg.com/04/i/05/c5/58/d3_1.JPG Designed as a low cost 16mm news camera for TV, a lot were sold. It has a belt drive for quiet operation. Just get one in good shape and should be a perfectly decent 16mm camera quiet enough for most purposes. Frankly, the importance of crystal synch ability in this day of NLE systems from FCP and the latest editing products from Avid, Adobe and Sony for your home computer is not all that important any more if you're doing low budget short filmmaking. I wouldn't put a lot of importance on it as a pivot point as to whether you buy a camera or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Tyler Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 (Look at that towel behind the CP! Creepy.) Don't forget to browse the '16mm Only' category in this forum. Your question has been answered many times before. Take a look at: http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/in...?showtopic=9898 http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/in...?showtopic=9740 http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/in...?showtopic=9579 http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/in...?showtopic=9003 http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/in...?showtopic=8901 and those are just in the last few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Wells Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 If you're shooting sync sound you want a quiet camera with crystal sync motor. Then you edit your film instead of fixing it. -Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest santo Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 (Look at that towel behind the CP! Creepy.) Isn't it? :) The whole picture looks like it's out of some 1970's serial killer's basement. hahhahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Over-Rein Posted December 22, 2005 Author Share Posted December 22, 2005 Isn't it? :) The whole picture looks like it's out of some 1970's serial killer's basement. hahhahahaha hehe.. yeah, that looks kind of creepy, doesn't it. Well thanks alot guys for all the answers, I'll take alook around the forum and learn some more about different cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gregorscheer Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 I use the Bolex ebm for sound recording. just add a blimp and they are fine. Concerning the chrystal sync it proved not to be necessairy as the filmspeed is very well electronically regulated and I had no problem syncing using a slate. If needed (as for very long sceenes with a talking head) - crystall sync can be obtained attaching a regulator box that is available on ebay for around $100. They exist for 24 and 25 fps and also switchable An EBM can usually be purchased for around US$2000 with a mag and a poe lens. Count 3500 for one converted to super 16. The El has the reputation to be less reliable but has the advantage of single frame capability. Ask me more about these two types of cameras I use them both for my educational documentaries. What I prefer in these cameras is the sturdy bayonet mount that is certainly superieour to the screw in and C mounts in eclairs and CP if you want to use heavy zooms lenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Knowles Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Isn't it? :) The whole picture looks like it's out of some 1970's serial killer's basement. hahhahahaha Quite 'Shroud of Turin-esque'... My EBM is noisy, much noiser than an Eclair ACL or NPR, but it can be workable for shorts. I wouldn't dare shoot a sync feature with it though. I'd go for an ACL or NPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Over-Rein Posted April 12, 2006 Author Share Posted April 12, 2006 Quite 'Shroud of Turin-esque'... My EBM is noisy, much noiser than an Eclair ACL or NPR, but it can be workable for shorts. I wouldn't dare shoot a sync feature with it though. I'd go for an ACL or NPR. Hi. I'm just wondering, what's the difference between a Eclair ACL and NPR? I've tried to search for it on the internet, but can't find any good pages dedicated to this camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Belay Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Hi. I'm just wondering, what's the difference between a Eclair ACL and NPR? I've tried to search for it on the internet, but can't find any good pages dedicated to this camera. The Eclair NPR was the first to come out in the mid-60's. Silent camera with variable shutter, somewhat bulky and uncomfortable for shoulder work : see : http://members.aol.com/npr16mm/ The Eclair ACL came out in the early 70's as a simpler (no variable shutter, for instance), smaller, lighter camera. Very nice too, and much better for shoulder work. see : http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/Super16ACL/menu.htm And of course, do search in this forum, there are LOTS of posts on these popular cameras. -B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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