Jim Jannard Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 Steven Soderbergh to shoot "The Argentine" and "Guerrilla", starring Benicio del Toro, exclusively with RED cameras. In a very brave move, Steven Soderbergh has chosen to shoot "The Argentine" and "Guerrilla", starring Benicio del Toro, with RED prototype cameras. Soderbergh will shoot RED at full 4K resolution, REDCODE RAW and record to Compact Flash. "This is the camera I've been waiting for my whole career: jaw-dropping imagery recorded onboard a camera light enough to hold with one hand. I don't know how Jim and the RED team did it--and they won't tell me--but I know this: RED is going to change everything." says Soderbergh. The prototypes are two generations newer than Boris and Natasha, the cameras Peter Jackson used to shoot "Crossing the Line" in New Zealand a couple of months ago. The RED 18-55mm T3 (f2.8) CF lens and many RED accessories were also chosen by Soderbergh for these movies. Shooting begins in Spain July 24th. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rory hinds Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 Hi Jim That a great quote... Now get them out to the mortal indy filmmakers and patience reservation holders :-) Regards Rory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Lowe Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 That's big news, Jim. Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kemp Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 RED Dawn...RED Revolution..Soderbergh REDy to to shoot a full feature..and RED deliveries now coming on stream. Does anybody still want that PINA COLADA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Gourley Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Congrats Jim. Keep up the good work and hurry up and send me #249 will ya? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Max Jacoby Posted July 13, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted July 13, 2007 So did Stevie Boy have a reservation or was he allowed to jump the queue in the name of name recognition? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Yernazian Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 As an Argentine I'm happy about this, big time!!!! What I don't undertsand is why are they shooting in Spain if Che Guevara's story happened in South America....... whatever Good work Jim! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werner Klipsch Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 In a very brave move, Steven Soderbergh has chosen to shoot "The Argentine" and "Guerrilla", starring Benicio del Toro, with RED prototype cameras. I am shocked, at last Jannard has said something I can agree with :lol: Soderbergh will shoot RED at full 4K resolution, REDCODE RAW and record to Compact Flash. He might think he is shooting at 4K, you might think he is shooting at 4K, I KNOW he is only shooting 2K, as will anybody else who actually understands how the cameras work. Yes an old chestnut, but nobody has put it out to pasture yet. But I still eagerly await results. I also eagerly await the results from the first Red subscriber to get a camera he can truly do what he likes with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted July 13, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted July 13, 2007 Just tell del Toro not to move sideways too fast unless he wishes to appear kinda diagonal. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Williams Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Soderburgh shot some eighty-five percent of "Full Frontal," with a pair of PAL XL-1's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Sprung Posted July 13, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted July 13, 2007 So did Stevie Boy have a reservation or was he allowed to jump the queue in the name of name recognition? ;) What it says is that he's shooting with prototypes, not final production cameras. It's like beta testing software. The development of any modern camera includes building and testing prototypes. That's usually done internally by the company, and not publicised. What's unusual is making an actual feature on prototypes. Perhaps the Jackson tests took them so far beyond what testing usually is that the leap looked like a small step. -- J.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Williams Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 What it says is that he's shooting with prototypes, not final production cameras. It's like beta testing software. The development of any modern camera includes building and testing prototypes. That's usually done internally by the company, and not publicised. What's unusual is making an actual feature on prototypes. Perhaps the Jackson tests took them so far beyond what testing usually is that the leap looked like a small step.-- J.S. Does that mean no models will get made until the beta testing is done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Sprung Posted July 13, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted July 13, 2007 Does that mean no models will get made until the beta testing is done? I can't speak for Red, but that's the way it works in software beta testing. For a physical product that can't be fixed by sending out patch files on the internet, it's even more important to get it right before you release it to manufacturing. Personally, I'd rather be patient than go through a recall. Or live with something they woulda tweaked, but isn't worth a recall. -- J.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Max Jacoby Posted July 13, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted July 13, 2007 What it says is that he's shooting with prototypes, not final production cameras. Soderberg apparently starts shooting at the end of July. According to Jim the first 50 Reds will get build by August 30th. Now that one month gap between 'prototype' and 'production model' seems so short to me that I think they just called his camera 'prototypes' so that none of the reservation holders would get upset that he was allowed to jump the queue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan von krogh Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 Now that one month gap between 'prototype' and 'production model' seems so short to me that I think they just called his camera 'prototypes' so that none of the reservation holders would get upset that he was allowed to jump the queue. As a reservation holder, i do appreciate that the directors Steven Soderbergh (Oceans 11) Timur Bekmambetow (Nightwatch) Peter Jackson (Lord of the Rings) Mark Neveldine (Crank) http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3209 are volunteers for the beta test. Besides, it gives good namedrops and marketing, which again are helpful on the ROI on the Red Cameras for us. With a little luck, ROI might be less than 6 months. And having 6 months ROI on 2 camera units is, besides brilliant images, what is interesting to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Sprung Posted July 14, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted July 14, 2007 Soderberg apparently starts shooting at the end of July. According to Jim the first 50 Reds will get build by August 30th. Now that one month gap between 'prototype' and 'production model' seems so short to me that I think they just called his camera 'prototypes' so that none of the reservation holders would get upset that he was allowed to jump the queue. Question is, does he get to keep them? Prototypes are generally not sold, at least not early in the production history of a design. Usually a company will retain them as muesum pieces, scrap them, or if at all, sell them after the model is discontinued. That's for successes. If a company folds, its prototypes are usually auctioned with everything else. -- That, or they end up in some engineer's garage..... ;-) -- J.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werner Klipsch Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 I can't speak for Red, but that's the way it works in software beta testing. For a physical product that can't be fixed by sending out patch files on the internet, it's even more important to get it right before you release it to manufacturing. Personally, I'd rather be patient than go through a recall. Or live with something they woulda tweaked, but isn't worth a recall. -- J.S. Considering many sub $US30 DVD players can now upgraded in firmware by just loading and playing a CD-ROM, it would surprise me if the RED did not have some similar procedure. I would imagine you would download a file from RED.com into a Flash Drive and plug it into the RED's USB socket, if it has one. Or maybe plug your PC into it to run diagnostics. This is the 21st century, a radical new camera needs radical new maintaining procedures :lol: I imagine a system that figures out what board is faulty and places the order for you over the Internet on your behalf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Jannard Posted July 14, 2007 Author Share Posted July 14, 2007 Soderberg apparently starts shooting at the end of July. According to Jim the first 50 Reds will get build by August 30th. Now that one month gap between 'prototype' and 'production model' seems so short to me that I think they just called his camera 'prototypes' so that none of the reservation holders would get upset that he was allowed to jump the queue. Max... sometimes you kill me with your posts. The prototypes that are now being used to shoot features do NOT have all features. There is no sound capability, they have limited frame rates, they will not record anything but 4k REDCODE RAW... to name just a few. The guys shooting the features have enough that they need to use them. They also have to live with quirks while we bug check before production, but seem happy enough to do that given the image they are getting. We could never sell these as production units. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Max Jacoby Posted July 14, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted July 14, 2007 The prototypes that are now being used to shoot features do NOT have all features. There is no sound capability, they have limited frame rates, they will not record anything but 4k REDCODE RAW... to name just a few. Indeed sound recording capacity is incredibly important , isn't it? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Williams Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 Indeed sound recording capacity is incredibly important , isn't it? ;) At the price point Jim is bringing the Red in and opening the market to the public and indie filmmakers I think sound is important. I guess this would be a stupid question for Jim but why not make a Red film camera to sit with the Red video camera? Interchangeable lenses for both and even batterys and other stuff? Best of both worlds then? Perhaps Red could have its own film labs? And stocks? with franchises farmed out world wide? There really is a need for it. A one stop Red centre for both kinds of film making? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Max Jacoby Posted July 14, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted July 14, 2007 At the price point Jim is bringing the Red in and opening the market to the public and indie filmmakers I think sound is important. I was not referring to indie films made for 3 cents, but feature films that have a budget where these 'prototype' are being 'tested' on. These films all have enough money to record sound separately to say a Cantar, as they have always done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Williams Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 You replied --------------------------------------------- Indeed sound recording capacity is incredibly important , isn't it? -------------------------------------------- Jims point here was establishing the cameras to be prototypes not consumer models. Your post You replied ----------------------------------------- I was not referring to indie films made for 3 cents, but feature films that have a budget where these 'prototype' are being 'tested' on. These films all have enough money to record sound separately to say a Cantar, as they have always done. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Are you saying Jim doesn't know why his camera doesn't need sound in a professional setting and an attempt to way to subvert his post regarding his qualification of it being a Prototype? Is this what you saying? ----------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Max Jacoby Posted July 14, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted July 14, 2007 Are you saying Jim doesn't know why his camera doesn't need sound in a professional setting and an attempt to way to subvert his post regarding his qualification of it being a Prototype? Is this what you saying? Don't be childish. I was replying to your post, as evidenced by the fact that a quoted you. For your information on the great majority of professional shoots sound is recorded separately, so the fact that these 'prototypes' do not record sound is not a drawback at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Williams Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 Don't be childish. I was replying to your post, as evidenced by the fact that a quoted you. Aha a word game then? One that insults a forum member and an attempt to hide it with misrepresentation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Max Jacoby Posted July 14, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted July 14, 2007 Just think what you want to think Mark, I couldn't care less. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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