kpv rajkumar Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 what is negative fill ? can somebody explain when this becomes a necessity and how you set about finessing it ? many thanks in advance, rajkumar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted November 20, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted November 20, 2007 Negative fill just involves using black cards or cloth on frames off-camera to reduce the amount of ambient bounce lighting filling-in the shadows. This is used often either on overcast days to create a little contrast, or in a white-walled room, for example, when the key light or backlight is bouncing back into the shadows and lowering the contrast too much, so you tape some black cloth over the white wall where the light is hitting it to get rid of the bounce-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpv rajkumar Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 Negative fill just involves using black cards or cloth on frames off-camera to reduce the amount of ambient bounce lighting filling-in the shadows. This is used often either on overcast days to create a little contrast, or in a white-walled room, for example, when the key light or backlight is bouncing back into the shadows and lowering the contrast too much, so you tape some black cloth over the white wall where the light is hitting it to get rid of the bounce-back. thank you, dave. now i got it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Haas Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Negative fill is also extremely useful in places such as supermarkets with lots of overhead lighting. If you don't need to bring the light level up you can often use a flag for a bit of negative fill and a bounce board to create better looking lighting without having to add any lights. Not always the right tool for the job but a great one to have in your bag of tricks. ~Jess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted November 21, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted November 21, 2007 Watch Robert Richardson's work in "Four Feathers" where he used a lot of negative fill shooting the desert scenes to make them harsher-looking, especially the fight on the sand dunes near the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dunn Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I'm more of a Georges Périnal/ Osmond Borradaile 3-strip fan myself. And not a fan of remakes. Zoltan Korda's 1939 version was magnificently restored in the 90's without a DI in sight. Mind you, the claret looked more like Ribena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Holland Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 i expect it was . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Anthony Vale Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I'm more of a Georges Périnal/ Osmond Borradaile 3-strip fan myself. And not a fan of remakes. Zoltan Korda's 1939 version was magnificently restored in the 90's without a DI in sight. Mind you, the claret looked more like Ribena. Have you seen Korda/T.young's CinemaScope remake, 'Storm over the Nile'? I suspect Korda's co-directing credit is based strictly on the amount of footage and entire scenes blown up from the '39 version. & IMDb lists Borradaile for "exterior photography in the Sudan". Ted Scaife as DP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Williamson Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 There's some good examples of negative fill in "The Thin Red Line" and "The Last Samurai". In those two films, Toll was generally shooting backlit or in soft skylight, so he used the negative fill to give some shape to the faces, you see it often as a darker edge on the near side of the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Kevin Zanit Posted November 21, 2007 Premium Member Share Posted November 21, 2007 Old topic that goes over much of the same, don't ask how I remembered it. http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/in...opic=794&st Kevin Zanit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Lowe Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 There's some good examples of negative fill in "The Thin Red Line" and "The Last Samurai". In those two films, Toll was generally shooting backlit or in soft skylight, so he used the negative fill to give some shape to the faces, you see it often as a darker edge on the near side of the face. I learn something new here every day. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dunn Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Have you seen Korda/T.young's CinemaScope remake, 'Storm over the Nile'? I suspect Korda's co-directing credit is based strictly on the amount of footage and entire scenes blown up from the '39 version. & IMDb lists Borradaile for "exterior photography in the Sudan". Ted Scaife as DP. It's enjoyable enough if you can put up with Anthony Steel, but I'm not sure they even bothered to crop and squeeze the stuff they copied. It looked stretched to me. Yes, definitely Ribena. And a granule or two of coffee in water looks more like Scotch than cold tea. Anyway, have you actually tried cold tea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert duke Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 It's enjoyable enough if you can put up with Anthony Steel, but I'm not sure they even bothered to crop and squeeze the stuff they copied. It looked stretched to me. Yes, definitely Ribena. And a granule or two of coffee in water looks more like Scotch than cold tea. Anyway, have you actually tried cold tea? Here is the south (usa that is ) we drink it sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Anthony Vale Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 It's enjoyable enough if you can put up with Anthony Steel, but I'm not sure they even bothered to crop and squeeze the stuff they copied. It looked stretched to me. Also the Lithuanian actor Laurence Harvey is usually fun to watch. Most of it was cropped and squeezed. The flag above the wall in the climactic battle was stretched out. There was at least one shot of camels that had a break in a wall matted over it so it didn't have to be verticaly cropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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