Mitch Gross Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I have a 3000 on loan for two more days, anyone have any ideas for loops to put it through? 1st generation picture quality is best I've seen in a EFP style camcorder. But will wait to put the pictures through an edit to see how AVC I behaves. After years of losing pixels and bit depth we are back on track. Next step less compression! If the client likes P2 then you would be wise considering the highest quality HD camera you can afford, 3000 doesn't add that much to total kit package and you'll be taking the high ground with full res and 10bit recording. If you need HDSDI out, time lapse 11x or +22x lenses, camera remotes in the near future then 2/3inch camera is the way to go now. In a years time depending on RED development the decison will be different as there is a 35mm size sensor camera on the way from Sony as well as more tricked out smaller cams. Mike Brennan Try underexposing the 3000, and pushing the dynamic range. The camera is incredibly quiet, with a great range in AVC-I 100. Using the Film Rec mode (or Cine Rec, I forget what they call it in this implementation), I found around 11.5 stops of usable range. Very low noise floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Harvey Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 I'm so tired of the networks saying which camera can be used or not used. They're not qualified to make those decisions. A camera is simply a hammer used to construct our projects. As the DP, I will decide which tool is the right one... I'm not convinced that Discovery and National Geo ever made that statement. I wonder if this wasn't some "upsell" tactic of the Panny salesman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Harvey Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 I'm so tired of the networks saying which camera can be used or not used. They're not qualified to make those decisions. A camera is simply a hammer used to construct our projects. As the DP, I will decide which tool is the right one, So how are some network QC people going to say that the 500 is unacceptable? And in fact, how do they even know what a project was shot on when we deliver everything to them on D5 or HDCam tape? I'm not convinced that Discovery and National Geo ever made that statement. I wonder if this wasn't some "upsell" tactic of the Panny salesman. Sorry about that last mystery post. Just learning this system... Just wanted to say the comments about restrictions made by Nat Geo and Discovery are accurate. You may be right about your assessment of picture quality, but good luck fighting that battle with these clients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Gross Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 The different networks all do very extensive testing of different equipment to decide what is up to their technical standards. I can tell you from personal experience that the Discovery Lab QC process is quite exhaustive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tim Pipher Posted November 30, 2007 Author Premium Member Share Posted November 30, 2007 I have a 3000 on loan for two more days, anyone have any ideas for loops to put it through? 1st generation picture quality is best I've seen in a EFP style camcorder. But will wait to put the pictures through an edit to see how AVC I behaves. After years of losing pixels and bit depth we are back on track. Next step less compression! If the client likes P2 then you would be wise considering the highest quality HD camera you can afford, 3000 doesn't add that much to total kit package and you'll be taking the high ground with full res and 10bit recording. If you need HDSDI out, time lapse 11x or +22x lenses, camera remotes in the near future then 2/3inch camera is the way to go now. In a years time depending on RED development the decison will be different as there is a 35mm size sensor camera on the way from Sony as well as more tricked out smaller cams. Mike Brennan Mike: What's your over-all assessment of the 3000 now -- have you had a chance to put the footage through an edit yet? On another forum, comments were made that the 3000 was noticeably sharper than the Sony F900r and Panasonic HPX2000, and "visually indistinguishable" from the Sony F23. Do you feel that's an accurate assessment? Thanks, Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew McCarrick Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 (edited) Just to throw in format comparision: DVCPro HD - 4:2:2 8-bit (100 Mbps) AVCIntra 50 - 4:2:0 10-bit (50 Mbps) AVCIntra 100 - 4:2:2 10-bit (100 Mbps) Edited June 23, 2008 by Andrew McCarrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Gus Sacks Posted June 23, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted June 23, 2008 I loved shooting on the 3000 in AVCIntra-100. The HDX pales in comparison for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Young Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 (edited) A Panasonic salesman today, though, recommends the HPX2000 for me. The most compelling argument he made was that national cable networks like Discovery and National Geographic won't accept programs produced on the HPX500. Hi Tim, You might want to show your Panny salesman this cut/paste from the latest National Geographic "NGC US and NGCI Approved List of HD Primary Cameras" You'll note that the 2000 is in the same boat as the 500.....it can be used, but the footage "would be considered part of the 10% non-HD allowance." (begin cut/paste) NGC US and NGCI Approved List of HD Primary Cameras For 1080i Productions: (Minimum of 2 million pixels) Thompson Phantom v12 Red Camera Sony HDW-F900R / F950 Sony F23 Sony HDW790 / 730S Sony PDW700 Panasonic AJ-HPX3000 – (shoots 1080 only) For 720p Productions: (Minimum of 1 million pixels) Panasonic Varicam AJ -HDC27FP Panasonic Varicam AJ-HDX900 NGC Approved HD Secondary Cameras* Sony EX1 – both 1080i and 720p Panasonic AG-HPX500 – both 1080i and 720p Panasonic AJ-HPX2000 – both 1080i and 720p * Footage would be considered part of the 10% non-HD allowance NGC Does Not Support* Anything built on the DV or HDV platform Sony HVRZ1U / Sony HVRV1U / Sony HVRZ7U *Usage can be approved for exceptional circumstances. Must get prior written approval from Network Operations. Footage would be considered part of the 10% non-HD allowance. (end cut/paste) Edited June 24, 2008 by Brian Young Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tim Pipher Posted June 24, 2008 Author Premium Member Share Posted June 24, 2008 Hi Tim, You might want to show your Panny salesman this cut/paste from the latest National Geographic "NGC US and NGCI Approved List of HD Primary Cameras" You'll note that the 2000 is in the same boat as the 500.....it can be used, but the footage "would be considered part of the 10% non-HD allowance." Thanks Brian. Actually, I found a new salesman -- Jonathan Eppner from AbelCineTech in New York (referred by Mitch Gross through this forum) -- and went with the HPX3000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmut Kobler Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Is it a little odd that NGC would accept footage from the Varicam (which is a 720 imager) but not the HPX2000 (another 720 imager)? I wonder what the logic there is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Phillipps Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all - the HPX2000 is exactly the same camera as the HDX900 except P2 vs tape. More craziness from the broadcasters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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