John Atala Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Hello to all, I'll be shooting two shorts on S16mm on the upcoming weeks. I've shot quite a few projects on S16mm and some experimental stuff on 35mm. I've studied and tested pull and push processing and bleach bypassing, but all on 35mm. Have push processed 7205 with nice results. I'm aiming for a very nice and Sharp look for these films, very low contrast and fine grain, so i opted for pull processing 1 stop and overexposing by 1 1/2 or 1 1/3 stop. The over exposure should give me a finer grain and a lower contrast; the low con is even better since I'm going with a DI. I've also opted for a post house that uses CCD based telecine (shadow), since I've been told that the Tube based ITK and DIAMOND (these are the ones available here in Rio) are o.k. for 35mm but is just too soft for s16mm. What are the pros and cons of pull processing, am I missing anything here, is there any loss? Finer grain and flat contrast is what i want.... p.s. I'm also using a canon 8-64 lens (which is sharp enough) and staying away from 500 asa stock. i might go with the 7217 or the 7205, for day scenes and v3 7219 for nite (just two scenes)..... thanks a lot guys! João (john) Atala Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Rodgar Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 (edited) What are the pros and cons of pull processing, am I missing anything here, is there any loss? Finer grain and flat contrast is what i want.... p.s. I'm also using a canon 8-64 lens (which is sharp enough) and staying away from 500 asa stock. i might go with the 7217 or the 7205, for day scenes and v3 7219 for nite (just two scenes)..... thanks a lot guys! João (john) Atala Pull processing does make for finer grain with flat contrast images, as far as I have tested, unless the film is not fresh, which can make it unpredictable. I once shot expired 7277 and decided to pull it one stop and the grain EXPLODED to the point of the footage not being usable, but it remained very flat contrast. Also, you say that you will stay away from 500 ASA stock yet later mention you might use 7219 for night scenes, which is 500 ASA . . . Edited April 19, 2008 by Saul Rodgar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Atala Posted April 19, 2008 Author Share Posted April 19, 2008 (edited) We're getting the stock brand new from Kodak. I'm using the V3 19 as an exception to what I've said before; there's two night scenes in which I'm also pulling. Some friends are telling that pulling will not work on scenes with too much dark areas, "you'll end up with gray!!", but that's kind of what i want. Ok, the pulling process lowers grain because of overexposure, yet on the lab, developing is faster; so... does pull processing the stock lowers visual sharpness / awareness? Is visual sharpness linked to apparent grain? In my mind I can perfectly conceive a image with no apparent grain yet with no visual sharpness. I want the critical focus to be apparent and real, with no grain. Am I making any sense here? I'm sorry English is my third language. thanks again. John Edited April 19, 2008 by John Atala Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Burke Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Hello to all,I'll be shooting two shorts on S16mm on the upcoming weeks. I've shot quite a few projects on S16mm and some experimental stuff on 35mm. I've studied and tested pull and push processing and bleach bypassing, but all on 35mm. Have push processed 7205 with nice results. I'm aiming for a very nice and Sharp look for these films, very low contrast and fine grain, so i opted for pull processing 1 stop and overexposing by 1 1/2 or 1 1/3 stop. The over exposure should give me a finer grain and a lower contrast; the low con is even better since I'm going with a DI. I've also opted for a post house that uses CCD based telecine (shadow), since I've been told that the Tube based ITK and DIAMOND (these are the ones available here in Rio) are o.k. for 35mm but is just too soft for s16mm. What are the pros and cons of pull processing, am I missing anything here, is there any loss? Finer grain and flat contrast is what i want.... p.s. I'm also using a canon 8-64 lens (which is sharp enough) and staying away from 500 asa stock. i might go with the 7217 or the 7205, for day scenes and v3 7219 for nite (just two scenes)..... thanks a lot guys! João (john) Atala why not use the '01 or '12 for day exteriors. you won't need to pull either to get tight grain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Vincent Sweeney Posted April 20, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted April 20, 2008 If you are really trying to push the clean look with S16, why would you use a zoom, which will also be slower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Atala Posted April 20, 2008 Author Share Posted April 20, 2008 If you are really trying to push the clean look with S16, why would you use a zoom, which will also be slower? No cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Reis Posted April 29, 2008 Share Posted April 29, 2008 The Kodak 7201 is by far the lowest grain color negative film-stock out there. If you have the light, it would be your best option for what you are desiring as their is a significant increase in grain in the 7205 and 7212. I have experienced my cleanest Super 16 transfers on a Spirit 2k telecine. The Spirit has pleasant way of making the grain appear soft while still providing a sharp image. Using the latest telecine technology with a mild de-grain pass will give you grainless NTSC transfers. The canon 8-64 is a sharp lens, but it has a tendency to easily flare when shooting into lights and hot sources. Stepping up to the newer Canon 7-63 will give you a slightly sharper image and less flaring. Best of luck with everything. Hello to all,I'll be shooting two shorts on S16mm on the upcoming weeks. I've shot quite a few projects on S16mm and some experimental stuff on 35mm. I've studied and tested pull and push processing and bleach bypassing, but all on 35mm. Have push processed 7205 with nice results. I'm aiming for a very nice and Sharp look for these films, very low contrast and fine grain, so i opted for pull processing 1 stop and overexposing by 1 1/2 or 1 1/3 stop. The over exposure should give me a finer grain and a lower contrast; the low con is even better since I'm going with a DI. I've also opted for a post house that uses CCD based telecine (shadow), since I've been told that the Tube based ITK and DIAMOND (these are the ones available here in Rio) are o.k. for 35mm but is just too soft for s16mm. What are the pros and cons of pull processing, am I missing anything here, is there any loss? Finer grain and flat contrast is what i want.... p.s. I'm also using a canon 8-64 lens (which is sharp enough) and staying away from 500 asa stock. i might go with the 7217 or the 7205, for day scenes and v3 7219 for nite (just two scenes)..... thanks a lot guys! João (john) Atala Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Atala Posted May 2, 2008 Author Share Posted May 2, 2008 thanks a lot ! I'll check for the new canon glass. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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