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The only way I want to 'see' porn is ABOLISHED! Not by the decree from any State or Government.. but by the collective consciousness of a people who understand the damage and degradation wrought by this vile 'industry'. Would you want YOUR daughter performing in this business??? Your son??? Not if you have half a brain in your head... so why is it ok (in your mind) for others to debase themselves in this manner?

 

Hey, Davy, if you don't like porn.......don't watch it! BUT ah let me tell ya somethin'' there buckaroo, don't TELL ME I shouldn't be allowed to watch it any time I damn well please. Who the hell are you? What gives you the right to tell me what I can or can not do? I'll watch any DAMN thing I want to watch and I don't give a good god d*mn if YOU or anyone ELSE thinks it's immoral or not because what I THINK is immoral is QUITE a bit different than what YOU think is immoral, I think it is criminally immoral to sending a bunch of 20 year old kids off to to the middle of some third world sh*thole to have their heads blown off so that the billionaires at Exxon and Halliburton can keep themselves ass deep in Mercedes' and Crystal and a people humpin' on some TV screen in a trailer park in Barstow doesn't even BEGIN to compare with that poop so f I start taking a whiz on your livingroom carpet, THEN you can tell me something, otherwise you worry about yourself not about what I'm doin'. I'll watch midgets have sex with orangutans in a vat of Crisco if I so choose to and what YOU think about that is irrelevant.

 

Oh and as for your second point, MY son or Daughter isn't the issue here, the RIGHTS of people to do what they want to do which is slowly being eroded day by day especially under the national NIGHTMARE of the last 8 years, IS. If my son or daughter are 18, they could pretty much do what they want and I would HOPE by that time I would have instilled in them the tools to make the best decisions for themselves. I don't need you or anyone else to dictate their code of morality for them.

 

You know discussions like this drive me crazy. we've got a planet that's slowly turning into a godd*mned furnace, 20 year old kids getting their arms and legs blown off over the fuel that's TURNING our planet into a furnace, the 1% billionaires sending job after middle class job over seas to people who will do it for a 10th the cost in conditions we wouldn't subject a pet rat to, a genocide in Darfur that no one seems to give a rat's ass about because the people being killed and raped happen to be black, the re-emergence of a totalitarian Russia that has just invaded a sovereign nation and the implications of that, an election that may be the most significant since 1932 or at the VERY least since 1968, a growing economic threat from China and the worse domestic economy since Nixon and all you can worry about is who's watching people screw on their TV in the privacy of their own homes???!!! :blink: Crime, greed, poverty, disease, strife, suffering, natural disaster, war, abuse of power, man made catastrophes, pestilence, global warming, nuclear annihilation COME ON MAN get your priorities straight! :unsure: Hell, I'd place getting hit by a civilization ending asteroid and giant robot attacks over the threat of pornography. B)

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I think porn directors are much more gutsy than other director's, because they tend to work with really long shots, none of the cut-cut-cut ADD crap one sees nowadays in the cinema or television. Porn should be an inspiration to us all.

 

Yeah, and the ingenuity of having to shoot the same basic "establishing shots", err, "talking head" shots if you will, creatively each time with just an on-camera light. I love how they sometimes creatively incorporate microphones, background elements, and crew members to add to the "gritty realism" of it all too :rolleyes:

 

 

Rob, why are you so quick to lump religion in as bad as porn? Sure, religion has done some terrible terrible things, but, divine or not, the teachings of people like The Buddha, Jesus Christ, Muhammad, are basically all about loving one's brother and living in peace and tranquililty.

 

And look at how societies that have sought to ban organized religion: China, Soviet Union, Soviet Block, turned out :ph34r: I think *cults* should be banned, like cults that encourage members to drink poisin laced cool-aid, or allow the sacrificing of human children, or believe that a curable disease shouldn't be treated because of "God's will", etc. Other than that, I think the fundamental messages of most, if not all religions, is love one's brother and try to communicate and think thing's through before acting out of blind passion and starting a terrible war.

 

I do think it is funny that some of the most open-minded lliberals of all time are followed by themost conservative of this day and age. . .

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If you think the porn industry has healthy, happy, well adjusted people with good self esteem working in it, you are blind.

 

You can throw ANY number of jobs into that category. When was the last time you heard about a porn actress or actor walking into work and killing five people?

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I just read that an article about a company "Digital Playground" filming their movie Pirates II in HD with the red. Apprently the original Pirates was shot in HD and was released with an R rating. Do you think porn using cameras like the red will help it enter the mainstream world?

 

"Red" and "Porn" in the same topic header!

 

For his first post Jordan Donahoe really knows how to fire up this forum. The posting sounds like advertising to a potential market.

 

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Hey Jimmy,

 

Take a chill pill... maybe a dozen! I NEVER said that at ALL! I clearly stated I wish it were gone "not by any decree from any State or Gov't.".. but each person (on their own) making the decision. Your rant was completely off base. Go ahead, indulge in that crap if that is your hearts desire... like I clearly said.. "this is one of the drawbacks to living in a free society".. people are free to make bad decisions. It seems your head is so clouded 'Jimmy' you simply can not read what is clearly written on your screen... which makes sense and goes along with the rest of the nonsense you wrote... though it was funny... certainly not (some) of the things you mentioned but your obvious misunderstanding of the realities behind these actions.

 

You certainly are entertaining!

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For those of you defending porn... maybe some day you can watch your (own) daughter with one in her mouth and one in her caboose. Now that, will be a proud moment!

 

You see, that is the (tragic) irony.. Jimmy-boy says never mind MY kids.. but let me watch someone else's kids do that. How hypocritical! This coming from the same people who want to save the world and preach 'global' concern.. it is all a sham.. they plead as if they care about others.. but when it comes right down to it they don't give a rat's ass about the welfare of others as long as THEY are getting their jollies.. which is all porn is useful for.

 

I do have to congratulate the forum for using the term 'porn' and not trying to water it down with 'Adult Movies'... Apocalypse Now is an 'Adult Movie'.. we all (for the most part) know what porn is.

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Ha ha... "caboose"....

 

You guys are killing me. I can't even believe we are having this conversation.

 

Gee. I wonder why there aren't more women posting on cine.com? Or in the film industry at all? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

I mean....REALLY???? Come ON!

 

I told myself I would not even bother posting in this thread again, as my sarcasm went undetected. But I just can't hold it in anymore.

 

For all intents and purposes I agree that people should be able to watch whatever they want. But why not call it for what it is? We're talking about a form of "art" designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator. I mean, let's face it. It's like junk food. Or yes, like drugs. Or like really crappy nu-metal. Or any other mindless, self-indulgent subculture. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, but that's essentially what it is. And if you think otherwise, you gotta be f*cking kidding me.

 

If we can openly admit what we're really talking about here, I think we can then start wondering why we're dragging this into a conversation about professional cinematography. I guess what I'm saying is, any film student dumb enough to bring a porn to class and call it "good cinematography", would probably get an F for the day. If we are to set any example for the future of filmmaking, we should probably NOT mention how inspiring we find Housewives In Saran Wrap Part 2 or whatever (that's totally MY title idea, don't even think of it :P). Because, you know, that instantly makes you sound like a really smart and appealing person. Instantly.

 

The bottom line is, ok guys, the Red camera has leveled the playing field and made it so that any hack with 10 grand and a nice living room, can now Make A Movie. That's AWESOME. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I DECIDED TO DEVOTE MY LIFE TO WORKING IN THIS INDUSTRY...BECAUSE IT'S EASY (that was sarcasm, for those who are not familiar with my posting style). Just like any idiot with Pro Tools LE, a crappy Fender knockoff electric, three months of lessons, and an M-box, can Make An Album. And any Neanderthal with a digital camera and a copy of Iphoto can now be a Professional Photographer. Isn't that great? See how accessible art can be to everybody? Now, EVERYBODY can be Kubrick. EVERYBODY's band can be Led Zeppelin. EVERYBODY can be Ansel Adams.

 

Does a college degree count for nothing? Does a painstaking dedication to the art of cinema, does twelve years of agonizing over tablature and listening over and over and over...do years of trial and error in the darkroom, manipulating color and light...do all of these things count for nothing because apparently now ANYONE can do it and it's EASY and CHEAP?

 

Apparently so, if all we have to do to be Filmmakers, is buy a Red camera and shoot some chick swallowing bodily fluids. Maybe if we put this footage in the Museum of Modern Art and called it "shock art", it would have a different label. But that went out in the 60's...basically now, we're talking about an industry built for people who don't care how it was lit or what it was shot on. Why waste any time or footage on that?

 

This is where I get kinda angry about the whole Blu-Ray thing. You're catering to a group of consumers who don't know WHY it looks "better" or "sharper", they're just TOLD that it is, so they want it. Way to totally scam the public. I guess it's the same mentality behind bringing a black cardboard box to NAB and being like Hay Guyz Check Out My New Camera Which Will Totally Pwn Sony And Panasonic. I'm sorry, someone had to say it. I'll work on digital jobs or film jobs, I don't care because it's still work and it's still an opportunity to do what I love, but you'll catch me shooting b-roll for English As A Second Language videos before you catch me shooting porn and calling it "art".

 

I had to pull focus on a "sex scene" once that ended up being a rape scene. It was a complete ploy to get the lead actress naked for pretty much no reason, to add shock to a film that was otherwise mundane. It was completely unnecessary, like eye candy gone wrong. There's plenty of stupid, unnecessary things you can waste footage on, and yes, in this country it makes millions as "reality TV", but what are we coming to (NO PUN INTENDED HA HA HA) when we ASPIRE to that?

 

I'm stepping off the soapbox. But uh, if you guys have ever wondered why you don't get many women posting on this forum, maybe threads like this have something to do with it. I'm just saying.

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Gee. I wonder why there aren't more women posting on cine.com? Or in the film industry at all? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

Hi Annie,

 

You may be unaware that there is a big & successful market in porn for women directed by women.

 

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Hello Annie,

 

Would it be sexist of me to repeat, "I wanna' get hammered with you?" I wanna' sit around a hipster bar full of metro-sexuals, get smashed and say ALL of the wrong, rude and politically incorrect things with you... in an obnoxiously loud voice.

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For those of you defending porn... maybe some day you can watch your (own) daughter with one in her mouth and one in her caboose. Now that, will be a proud moment!

 

I would hope that I raised my daughter well enough so that she could make that decision on her own.

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Annie, I totally agree... except for the 'there's nothing wrong with that".. because there is (in my opinion). But I have to correct one thing.. you'll have to spend a lot more than $10k to get a RED up and running sufficiently to shoot a Feature/ Commercial/ Music Video... and be able to import usable Video and Audio.

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For those of you defending porn... maybe some day you can watch your (own) daughter with one in her mouth and one in her caboose. Now that, will be a proud moment!

 

That's exactly what my mom said to me when I was in eighth grade. She was like, "I hope your purchase of the new Rancid album doesn't lead you to a career in taking it up the caboose." When I assured her that it would just lead to skateboarding, loud guitar-playing, and the occasional trespassing/graffiti, she seemed relieved.

 

Now that I've done a proper rant, I'll go back to making inappropriate puns and emphasizing how important it is to really be able to see both ends of the issue... at the same time. Ah, the digital age....think of how far we've come. ;)

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I would hope that I raised my daughter well enough so that she could make that decision on her own.

 

 

With or without your guidance... she will obviously make that decision on her own... that is a forgone conclusion. The question is... will she make the 'right' decision... and in your mind, the 'right' decision would be.....???? What?

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No need to answer Jamie... after Paul's post, I think we have all dropped our loads on this subject. :blink:

 

The $10k RED was the best! Anyway.. what is going to happen when ARRI comes out with a Digi-Mag so SR2s and 3s can shoot 1s and 0s as well... that is gonna upset some folks!

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With or without your guidance... she will obviously make that decision on her own... that is a forgone conclusion. The question is... will she make the 'right' decision... and in your mind, the 'right' decision would be.....???? What?

 

The right decision is the one she makes for herself.

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Annie this started on the RED thread but has been moved . Feel i have opened a can of worms here , in the 70's i lit a {Porn} film long before the internet , and home video so kids would never have never had access to it , it was a high budget 35mm Arri BL shoot , what ever i needed lighting wise it was there , the {artists } earned a load of money and actually enjoyed their roles . I got got paid shits load of money and was all cash in hand , [ hope taxman doesnt read this ] . I cant say who the man behind the money was but now owns a big soccer club here and a couple of newspapers .

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'Artists'.... that's a laugh! I am very careful who I call actual 'Talent'.. just because they are in front of the Lens does not mean they are talented... I reserve 'Artists' for people even more qualified than so-called 'talent'. John.. you are too funny.

 

Seriously... anyone hear anything on Digi-Mags???

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Annie this started on the RED thread but has been moved . Feel i have opened a can of worms here , in the 70's i lit a {Porn} film long before the internet , and home video so kids would never have never had access to it , it was a high budget 35mm Arri BL shoot , what ever i needed lighting wise it was there , the {artists } earned a load of money and actually enjoyed their roles . I got got paid shits load of money and was all cash in hand , [ hope taxman doesnt read this ] . I cant say who the man behind the money was but now owns a big soccer club here and a couple of newspapers .

 

This wasn't in the vein of the "Amorous Milkman' type movie was it?

 

70s British soft-porn comedies, shudderr........

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