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No it wasnt that type ie "Confessions of a what ever " this was aimed at the European market where they were much more relaxed about it ,plus the fact wouldnt get a certificate here . I am quite proud of it really had a good story good looking actors [ sorry David ] thats what they are . Nothing gross just people having sex , no horrible close ups beautiful soft lighting [ i am just so good ] 5254 and a light fog filter .

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Annie,

 

The title of this thread is 'Porn now using RED"... we are discussing Porn and RED... nothing complicated about that. Discussing porn (a Film genre) is absolutely appropriate. It also opened up a discussion about our moral responsibility (or lack of) toward the Images we shoot. All perfectly legit. The fact that you see such a visceral response makes it all the more so. The interesting thing (to me) is that it seems I am the only one speaking from this side of the argument. Am I the last man standing... are others afraid to take a stance? It is kinda like all the closet conservatives in LA.. I know them! They exist... but would rather stay recluse (safe) and not engage... so sad.

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No it wasnt that type ie "Confessions of a what ever " this was aimed at the European market where they were much more relaxed about it ,plus the fact wouldnt get a certificate here . I am quite proud of it really had a good story good looking actors [ sorry David ] thats what they are . Nothing gross just people having sex , no horrible close ups beautiful soft lighting [ i am just so good ] 5254 and a light fog filter .

 

Hi John,

 

With 5254 & contact printing I am sure the skin tones looked better than anything shot Film today that goes through a DI, does not really give much hope for digital aquisition <_<

 

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Nothing gross just people having sex , no horrible close ups beautiful soft lighting [ i am just so good ] 5254 and a light fog filter .-John Holland

 

You paint such a vivid picture of your shoot John... I can almost 'smell' it.... yuck!

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... i think you are taking the piss ....

This is one of those British idiomatic expressions that requires some explanation on this side of the pond. What does it mean?

 

 

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Taking the mickey/piss=making fun of someone.

 

I know this because I read Harry Potter.

 

David-

 

Don't worry...we're cool. I'm just one of those super-opinionated 20-somethings who drives conservatives crazy with my often contradictory viewpoints. :P

 

John Holland-

 

Send me a copy... ;)

 

I'm not saying pr0n=bad, I'm just saying it's not art in the way that Kubrick's "Barry Lyndon" is art, and we can't fool ourselves. It would be like eating McDonald's because it's good for you. Know what I'm saying?

 

Then again, who knows. I mean, they have an Ipod on display at MOMA but they also have Monet's Water Lilies, so where does that leave us? I listen to a bunch of British guys yelling and playing 3 chords over and over and I call it music, so what do I know? Here we are in circles again...what IS art? I remember this discussion from foundation classes at art school. It always turned to postmodernism. There was always that one kid who would quote Baudrillard directly from the text and use big SAT words while everyone else in the classroom silently hated him/her. The professor would get all flustered and give us an extra long break so he/she could go chain smoke Camels and wonder what becomes of a Masters in painting these days anyway. Money well spent.

 

Anyway, I digress. It will be interesting to see what the Red camera does for the "digital age". Obviously, there will be an audience whether it's art or not. Perhaps without vapid, shallow, frivolous content in the entertainment world, the truly meaningful stuff would not have as much of an impact. And perhaps without prosumer digital cameras clogging up the film industry, 35mm cameras would not be as impressive. It seems to me we're back to apples and oranges- or Apple and Monet, as it were. You can't resist the water lilies OR the Ipod. The most amazing thing is that you can have BOTH, in the same building! And it's free on Fridays after 4:00! Let this serve as an analogy for the entertainment industry.

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John Holland-

 

Send me a copy... ;)

 

:lol:

 

Couldn't help find the above amusing.

 

Hi John,

 

I do have a sense of humor, however there is a certain truth as well. I never got a chance to shoot 5254.

 

Stephen

 

The rate of my career and the rate of advances in digital acquisition means I will probably never get to shoot anything with a 52 in my life time, i find that quite a depressing thought....

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:lol:

 

Couldn't help find the above amusing.

 

 

 

The rate of my career and the rate of advances in digital acquisition means I will probably never get to shoot anything with a 52 in my life time, i find that quite a depressing thought....

 

Hi,

 

The Fuji stocks are generally better IMHO. I have only shot 1 commercial this year on Kodak, the Omega Olympics spot currently on air. (about 35,000'). It was posted digitally at 4k, framing of a few shots got 'enhanced'. I was told "it's amazing how much you can move & change the image size without any loss in quality". One of the 'features' of shooting full apeture.

 

 

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Hi,

 

The Fuji stocks are generally better IMHO. I have only shot 1 commercial this year on Kodak, the Omega Olympics spot currently on air. (about 35,000'). It was posted digitally at 4k, framing of a few shots got 'enhanced'. I was told "it's amazing how much you can move & change the image size without any loss in quality". One of the 'features' of shooting full apeture.

 

 

Stephen

 

Of course Fuji is cheaper too, in the few events i've been able to shoot film, i've always used Fuji because on a zero budget £15 or so on 400ft feels like quite a saving. I would like to try Kodak's 50D for a day exterior rather than Super F-64D though.

 

I'm sensing you've used a fair bit of motion-control in that commercial, on the runners as well as the watch, correct?

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Housewives in Saranwrap!!!!???? :lol: I LOVE IT!!! Hey Annie, I know some girls, you could direct, I could produce, we could make enough cash to completely fund both our features. Have a script to me in 2 weeks and we'll rent a RED to shoot it!! :rolleyes: If people try to turn porn into art, it's gonna REALLY suck because the lack of artistic value is the best part of porn! I sorta miss the days when porn was actually "dirty". The only thing artistic is the expertice of some of the women.....besides isn't the definition of pornography "Of No Redeeming Social Value"? (course that definition would make Pauly Shore a porn star). I rellish that definition though, because the original Scarface (1932) had to add " The Shame of the Nation" to give it "Redeeming Social Value" and until the 60s married couples slept in single beds in film and on TV to give them "Redeeming Social Value" so let's own it and call it what it is, raunch devoid of "Redeeming Social Value" designed to do one thing and one thing only....turn men on....... BUT if you DO want to talk pornographic art at the Met, I got one word for you, Mapplethorpe. I personally am not really all that much into gay bondage dressed up as "art" but hey, maybe I just don't get it and that "maybe' is enough for me to not want to deprive others of it. I DO think it was a damn bold move for the museum to have the balls to exhibit his work and unfortunately it probably does have some "Redeeming Social Value" but come on, that's not what we're talking about here. What we're talking about here is censorship, the kind of censorship that got Lenny Bruce and Larry Flynt arrested AND got Mapplethorpe booted. The puritanical horse poop that had back ally abortions mutilating and killing women and young girls up until the 70s.

 

Porn is one of the few jobs in the entertainment industries where women actually get paid far MORE than men for their work. There are LINES at the World Modeling Agency of people wanting to join that industry and come on, let's face it, we are not dealing with rocket scientists here (although a few porn actresses I know of, Vicca and Asia Carrera are members of Mensa) so their opportunities to make a tremendous amount of money is limited. They choose to do this so who am I to tell them they shouldn't try and build a life that offers them financial security because it's immoral. Some, many actually, actresses just plain like being porn stars and are completely unapologetic about it. ...as well they should be.

 

See ultimately it's about freedom. When people like Davy make statements like "The only way I want to 'see' porn is ABOLISHED! " I can only look on that as an attack on freedoms hard fought and already won in battles no one wants to have to fight again. The fact that he adds this "Not by the decree from any State or Government.. but by the collective consciousness of a people who understand the damage and degradation wrought by this vile 'industry" is of little comfort as the people of Germany elected Hitler and decided Jews were evil, or the way the current administration decided certain people were too dangerous to be allowed basic human rights like the right to trial and the right to be free from tortured, all with the consent of a hell of a lot of " the people". See "the collective consciousness of a people" even if it's just a small vocal minority like the Nazis often becomes the "decree from any State or Government" so I'll take a risk that the dangers of freedom will be well worth the risk in order to enjoy freedom's benefits and fight censorship like this at every turn. Oh and BTW Davy, it's Steve....or Stevie, if you like, but call me whatever you want to. No doubt I've heard it all before :)

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I'm sensing you've used a fair bit of motion-control in that commercial, on the runners as well as the watch, correct?

 

Hi Andy,

 

Just on the watch, we did not have the time or budget for motion control on set, it would have been fun through.

 

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Isn't there some internet discussion clause where as soon as you mention Hitler in a thread, it's time to lock the thread? :lol: I second Steve on freedom for all- if we abolish porn, we might as well abolish everything else that's fun, dirty, and utterly meaningless in this country. So uh, yeah. Good luck with that because it's not gonna happen.

 

Porn is one of the few jobs in the entertainment industries where women actually get paid far MORE than men for their work.

 

Though I must say, this statement makes me sad...it also accounts for the somewhat contradictory nature of my viewpoints. That is, you won't catch ME supporting such an industry (if the only way we can get paid more than the guys is to take our clothes off, that's pretty f*cking sad), but unlike the conservatives, I am *not* about to stop anyone else from doing so. (I'll just make fun of you for not being able to get laid for real :P ) Because yes, that would be censorship. I disagree with animal testing, but I'm not about to blow up a laboratory (google Animal Liberation Front!). I'm a vegan, but I'm not about to condemn other people for eating at McDonald's. You can't enforce personal opinions on large groups of people and expect it to fly. Unless you're Hitler, and that's just wrong.

 

Oh hey, I think this is turning into one of those threads where both Hitler AND God are mentioned in the first four pages! :thumbs up:

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When people like Davy make statements like "The only way I want to 'see' porn is ABOLISHED! " I can only look on that as an attack on freedoms hard fought and already won in battles no one wants to have to fight again. - Stevie

 

That is because people (like you) did not (read... or retain) the very next sentence.. "Not by the decree of any State or Government.. but by the collective consciousness of a people who ..blah blah blah... or the part about this being one of the things that goes with Freedom that I gladly accept... or that I'd take that over any forced (Sharia for example) Law... you missed quite a bit there kiddo. :blink:

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Interesting link I found on Digg from Style that made me think of this thread, called What If Your Wife Were A Porn Star?

 

Being a porn star is what Sky wants. She makes good money, she doesn't get bossed around by a suit, and she has time to attend college (majoring in women's studies). He isn't going to stand in her way. "I want her to be happy. And it's a turn-on, in a way. On the downside, though, there are guys having sex with your wife."
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Excuse me. What I meant to say was, "RED Hot Nonagenerian Adolf and Eva Impersonating Caboose Surfers VII"

 

In Holographic 3D and Speilbergophonic, Brain-sound. Porn IS the leader in entertainment technology, as we've seen.

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Excuse me. What I meant to say was, "RED Hot Nonagenerian Adolf and Eva Impersonating Caboose Surfers VII"

 

In Holographic 3D and Speilbergophonic, Brain-sound. Porn IS the leader in entertainment technology, as we've seen.

 

Hi,

 

You will have to be careful saying RED Hot as Red is a trademark, ;) People might think you were implying that the cameras were overheating!

 

Stephen

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When was the last time you heard about a porn actress or actor walking into work and killing five people?

 

Of course not! These people are so underground you'd never hear of these things. Besides, thay want to save the corpses for their next necrophillia movie.

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Isn't there some internet discussion clause where as soon as you mention Hitler in a thread, it's time to lock the thread? :lol:

There probably should be but I just use him because everyone know the history, there are of course countless other less extreme examples I could quote but I'm lazy.

 

Though I must say, this statement makes me sad...it also accounts for the somewhat contradictory nature of my viewpoints. That is, you won't catch ME supporting such an industry (if the only way we can get paid more than the guys is to take our clothes off, that's pretty f*cking sad), but unlike the conservatives, I am *not* about to stop anyone else from doing so.

 

Sad is too weak a word, it's utterly absurd, shameful, immoral and bordering on criminal. Women like Penny Marshall have made incredible films. Dorothy Arzner directed Paramount's very first talkie, The Wild Party, way back in 1929, which starred Clara Bow. To allow Bow to move freely on the set, Arzner had technicians rig a microphone onto a fishing rod, essentially creating the first boom mic. Adrienne Fazan was one of the best film editor of all times. Alice Guy-Blaché , the world's first female filmmaker and a key figure in the development of narrative film She was one of the founders of The Solax Company, the largest pre-Hollywood studio in America. Barbra Streisand and Ida Lupino, actresses turned very fine directors. just to mention a few of the MANY women that have helped build this industry. The fact that women have contributed so much yet STILL in this day and age are still treated as somehow less worthy or deserving of reaping the fruits of their labor is unconscionable.

 

 

(I'll just make fun of you for not being able to get laid for real :P )

 

As many, many do. :( :D

 

Oh hey, I think this is turning into one of those threads where both Hitler AND God are mentioned in the first four pages! :thumbs up:

 

Thanks, to quore John Lennon-We all doing what we can."

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