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in the past i have shot porn on 35mm looked good ,paid well as were the "artists" they werent forced to do anything it was just a job no one was harmed and i am afraid you will ahve to admit there is a huge demand ,both men and women viewers .

 

 

Who cares? There is a demand for Heroin too.. is Heroin good for you? John, we don't find truth by counting noses. If you think the porn industry has healthy, happy, well adjusted people with good self esteem working in it, you are blind. The fact that you had no problem standing there lensing such activity doesn't bode well for you John... I would keep that (history) to myself. I, myself (in the long ago past), have shot one or two scenes I am not proud of.. they certainly were NOT porn... but nothing to be proud of nonetheless... so I will cast the first stone at myself.

 

May our creative powers be used to 'uplift' the human spirit and condition... not drag it into the gutter.

 

Ironic to have this discussion after being referred to as a rampant sexist in another thread.. go figure.

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A group of adults sit around a table cutting up a kilo of coke. They diligently measure, weigh and bag the blow. No one was forced to do this. They were all professional in their duties and made good money. No one was hurt...

 

No one???? Do you not think that blow made it into the hands of misguided youth and children.. and the result was scaring? Porn is the same. It Fu#%s up your head!.. especially young people and children. No one escapes unharmed... and without harming...

 

I'm off this thread...

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No one???? Do you not think that blow made it into the hands of misguided youth and children.. and the result was scaring? Porn is the same. It Fu#%s up your head!.. especially young people and children. No one escapes unharmed... and without harming...

 

 

You could go on forever with this why not get rid of organized religion? it screws up children too, and soft drinks they are bad for you so out with 'em and why not ban alcohol, again.... beware the moral crusader for he may be found in an airport bathroom kicking your foot for sex.

 

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You could go on forever with this why not get rid of organized religion? it screws up children too, and soft drinks they are bad for you so out with 'em and why not ban alcohol, again.... beware the moral crusader for he may be found in an airport bathroom kicking your foot for sex.

 

-Rob-

 

I became rather cynical about all this when I discovered that a member of a born again Christian church was renting out VHS videos of hard core porn from under the counter of his electrical goods store.

 

I believe there was a period in the UK when times were lean some feature film production companies would make soft core feature films for theatrical release.

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Yes, Bryan.. a lot of things screw people up.. but this discussion was on Porn / RED... not Organized Religion / RED...

 

John, putting all (of any class) into a stereo-type is irresponsible... at best. You know better.

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The biggest problem of discussing porn is defining what exactly "pornography," is. For one person it may be porn, for another it may be art. Personally, I have found use in certain pornographic films in terms of visual style. Yes, they are degrading to people and most definitely not intended for children, but they have aesthetics to them as any work. Look at the scenes from Eyes Wide Shut, for example. It was shot with the "porn look," yet is it itself pornography?

Or, a black and white picture of a naked woman; is it pornographic if it's in a museum or only if it's in a magazine?

 

Every society must make concessions for "freedoms," and within a society every individual must decide their own morality. Essentially one either takes it of leaves it. To be honest, I had twice toyed with the idea of doing a documentary on "pornography," as I often wondered, when I was younger and being, "a boy," and all, what the people who are in it, and who make it, are really like on a human level.

 

Anyway, I'm rambling and ranting and not really saying too much, but this, in the end what matters most is not the actions of others, because we cannot control them, but the actions of ourselves.

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The biggest problem of discussing porn is defining what exactly "pornography," is. For one person it may be porn, for another it may be art. Personally, I have found use in certain pornographic films in terms of visual style. Yes, they are degrading to people and most definitely not intended for children, but they have aesthetics to them as any work. Look at the scenes from Eyes Wide Shut, for example. It was shot with the "porn look," yet is it itself pornography?

Or, a black and white picture of a naked woman; is it pornographic if it's in a museum or only if it's in a magazine?

 

There was a period when some well known mainstream directors were toying with the idea making the Hollywood blue movie. I believe Kubrick was one who, if not seriously, was at least joking with the idea.

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To be honest, I had twice toyed with the idea of doing a documentary on "pornography," as I often wondered, when I was younger and being, "a boy," and all, what the people who are in it, and who make it, are really like on a human level.

 

 

Take a look at "Sex - The annabel chong story" as well as "The Girl Next Door" and perhaps the best, most truthful and my pick, "La Petite Mort"

 

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Thanks John, I will definitely give them a look though honestly I moved past all that. Perhaps shooting the last doco I did on BDSM got me past it. Anymore I'm pretty sure that I'm perfectly happy just being the guy behind the camera, with the light meter. Directing is too ambitious for me right now.

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but this discussion was on Porn / RED... not Organized Religion / RED...

 

 

I do not think one can seriously discuss porn without organized religion, the two really seem to go hand in hand don't they. I know Direct TV had published a marketing study of pay per view demographics a few years ago, and good old mormon utah had the highest instance of porn pay per view rentals by capita, ohh big surprise! well they do not publish those statistics publicly anymore, some people got upset, can ted haggard call president bush every day again now that he has been cured of homosexuallity?

 

Some might say that the red is a organized religion :lol:

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I read somewhere that there's a bit of a HV20/30 HDR-HC7/9 craze in the porno industry at the moment, everyone's wanting one. They're even resorting to stealing them from each other! I reckon there must be whole districts of cities or towns crammed with these studios, along with other dark things, and we just don't know about them.

 

I personally doubt very highly porn makers will ever use really high end cameras, their viewers just wouldn't apprecitate the effort.

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From what I have heard, Philadelphia's suburbs are awash with porn. . . I've never personally seen it, though there was a story a few yrs back about a "porn star", dying, I think, out in Chester-ish.

 

With technology the way it is now. . most of these porn studios are probably someone's posh apartment and iMovie. . . doesn't take much anymore.

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Or, a black and white picture of a naked woman; is it pornographic if it's in a museum or only if it's in a magazine?

 

Limited edition silver gelatin print will take it out of the porn category no matter what :rolleyes:

 

 

From what I have heard, Philadelphia's suburbs are awash with porn. . .

 

I always heard Levittown but that could be (sub)urban legend

 

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Ironic to have this discussion after being referred to as a rampant sexist in another thread.. go figure.

 

I did not call you a rampant sexist. I just said that making comments like the one you made tend to reinforce the impression that this is a fraternity. It is not. Besides, inuendos are a long way from sexism. Here's an example of sexism (not a serious statement, so please no crucifixions!):

 

Cooking is women's work!

 

or

 

This is a job only a man can do!

 

or my favorite (from Chinatown):

 

Hey, go powder your nose or something in the little lady's room hun, we men need to have a men-only talk.

 

 

Lol. If you resort to any of these Dave, THEN I will bestow upon you the title of "Rampant Sexist"

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I did not call you a rampant sexist. I just said that making comments like the one you made tend to reinforce the impression that this is a fraternity. It is not. Besides, inuendos are a long way from sexism. - quote - Karl

 

No you did not.

 

Woah David, way to scare away the remaining dozen women on this forum that can handle the rampant sexism! - quote- Karl Borowski

 

Ok.. I stand corrected.. you just called me a sexist.. not a rampant sexist.

 

Karl, please find someone else to dance with.. the LoLs have become tedious.

 

lol, smiley face, and all the rest of the BS that goes with it...

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lol, smiley face, and all the rest of the BS that goes with it...

 

If you can't take a joke when it's aimed at you David, maybe you shouldn't make them yourself? Don't try to take it as a personal attack.

 

And I'm referring to rampant sexism across these fora, not saying that your remark was rampant sexism. Like I said, it was just innuendo. But don't pretend you didn't imply what you implied, and don't get angry at me getting it and poking fun at you. So'd John, and you didn't say a word about it.

 

And if you want to have this conversation with me any further, do it through proper channels, like an email, not on a totally unrelated thread.

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some articles for you to read.

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08020/850523-28.stm

 

http://www.macworld.com/article/50627/2006/05/pornhd.html

 

http://www.attentionmax.com/blog/2006/05/p...ationsagain.php

 

 

there are plenty of sources to back up my comments. You may not like it, but the Porno industry is a big player in technology.

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I do believe ,though I may be way wrong here, that Porn helped usher in VHS and DVD?

 

 

I think porn probably has more of an impact on the final distribution format rather than the equipment used to make it, unless that equipment makes it easier or cheaper to get it to the home viewer. VHS and DVD made it easier for the consumer to be more discreet I believe. I am not sure if the average porn consumer is really looking for a perfect image, but is usually looking for an easier way to watch in private.

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I think porn directors are much more gutsy than other director's, because they tend to work with really long shots, none of the cut-cut-cut ADD crap one sees nowadays in the cinema or television. Porn should be an inspiration to us all.

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