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Fidgety?... that came off a little patronizing don't you think?

 

By all means Paul.. continue. I have no control over this.. nor do I want any.

 

I just feel compelled to speak up for all those shaking their heads in disbelief while reading the same things I am .

 

You are most certainly welcome to express your perspective(s)... as I am mine.

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I just feel compelled to speak up for all those shaking their heads in disbelief while reading the same things I am .

 

 

Although this may be one of the stranger threads on the forum, no-one is being forced to read anything. If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple.

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Although this may be one of the stranger threads on the forum, no-one is being forced to read anything. If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple.

 

 

I couldn't agree more Stuart.... with an addition. "If you don't like it don't read it"... or.. offer your opinion...

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You know, David. I once thought the fact you're only rated one star by your fellow forum users to be a bit harsh, now I see they were right.

 

I'm going to ask a moderator to close this thread. You don't need fuel, mate.

Edited by Matthew Buick

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You know, David. I once thought the fact you're only rated one star by your fellow forum users to be a bit harsh, now I see they were right.

 

I'm going to ask a moderator to close this thread. You don't need fuel, mate.

 

Huh? There are lot of great people contributing to this forum with zero stars... who cares.. who votes anyway..? I certainly don't.

 

Why be so afraid of an opposing opinion?

 

I guess you are looking for an 'agreeing' forum.. not a discussion forum...

 

Mathew, you might want to take Stuart's advice.."If you don't like it.. don't read it.. simple".

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You know, David. I once thought the fact you're only rated one star by your fellow forum users to be a bit harsh, now I see they were right.

 

I'm going to ask a moderator to close this thread. You don't need fuel, mate.

 

Are you even old enough to *look* at porn? You sure-as-hell aren't old enough to post about it here.

 

And the fact that you are rated higher than he is, or as high as me, is proof of what an utter bunch of bullshit those ratings are.

 

So, back to the real world, how many 16mm commercials have you shot Mr. Armchair-in-Front-of-My-Parents'-Computer Film Expert?

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I have shot four (35mm) features for HBO.. can I get any 'stars' for that ... LOL :lol:

 

Furthermore, why would you want to shut down a viable and enlightening discussion?.. Just because you disagree with (me)?

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Ya know Karl,

 

Mathew lives in the UK.. because of the time difference it is pretty late there. I'll bet his parents just tucked him in bed.

 

He'll be back after a good nights rest.

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I wont speak for my fellow moderators, but I believe this is an interesting and informative thread.

 

Some people have decided to launch a few ad hominem attacks, but nothing racist and nothing beyond baseless 'school yard' jabs.

 

I'll close it if it gets nasty.

 

I don't believe this thread should be shut down, but could we get away from those silly attacks and steer our way towards having a friendlier discussion?

 

If you don't agree with the content or subject of the thread, post your views without getting personal or ignore it.

 

- nathan

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You can really tell why David and Karl are such friends. :rolleyes:

 

Because we're both serious about cinematography, and you obviously aren't?

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David, you're bringing God into this? Case closed and there's no reason for further discussion:

 

You simply can't have a real intellectual discourse with people who pull the tooth fairy out of a hat. Especially since my God can kick the crap out of YOUR God anyway. My God is a big rock in my backyard, and I call him Harvey. But this is all based on science:

 

When I pray to him, I get about the same results that the Gods with much better publicists do. But I digress:

 

For millenniums, men have been sticking their penises into vaginas. And out, and in, and out...and you get the point. (I could go on forever about the ins and outs thing, but after three ins and outs, I myself am usually finished anyway. I have no staying power at ALL!)

 

Where is the sin in this, or the sin to look at it, if there IS such a thing as sin in the first place when it doesn't hurt or affect any 2nd party?

 

Sorry, but we ARE no better than the apes. In fact, we're WORSE.

 

I know the truth hurts, especially since apes DON'T have any Gods to argue and fight and kill each other over--unlike us "enlightened" human beings.

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There you go Nathan.. (now) it is probably time to shut it down..

 

I only brought up God (the idea of intelligent design) because Ira brought up evolution. He says we are animals. No better. Great self esteem Ira. ;)

 

The nice thing about Ira's post(s) is his writing speak for itself. His hatred for God seeps into his posts and when he does I call him on it.. I never instigate it. He throws out insulting comments... and I call him on it.

 

To ignore the harm pornography brings on a society is.. well.. you either get it or you don't.

 

It has been encouraging to watch our morals 'evolve' over my lifetime...

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Ira,

 

Take your Camera. Disassemble it fully. Now drop all the pieces into a paper bag and shake that bag for a hundred, million, billion years... you'll never have a working Camera. We are so much more complicated than Cameras. We are not the result of Time + Matter + Chance.

 

As far as science goes.. wasn't 'science' telling the early european sailors not to venture out to far as the world in flat and you could fall off the edge.. or that everything revolves around the earth? The letting of blood can heal and on and on and on......

 

As far as carbon dating goes, the rock material (which was created by the Creator) was floating in space.. formless.. the earth was without form. It was then brought together and made into what we call the planet earth. Yes the 'material' is millions/billions of years old.. the earth is not.

 

Darwin and Einstein, in the end, said that obviously something else is going on.. that there was some sort of Intelligent Design.. a Creator.

 

I'll give thanks to the Rock who created your rock...

 

It is sad Ira that you confuse what people do in the 'name' of God.. with the love of God. There is a world of difference. Don't ascribe the evils of man to God because man claims he is only doing God's will. It is against man's nature to do God's will.

 

God wants us to all have healthy happy families. He wants women to be uplifted.. respected. After living over 20 years in LA (in porn valley) I can tell you pornography does no such thing. Porn treats women like trash.. cum buckets.

 

But hey.. maybe you like seeing naked men.. I don't know..

Edited by David Rakoczy

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I think you both got your beliefs in regarding ID and Evolution.

 

Let's talk about cameras in porn :)

 

I know, as a fact, more than a few guys on this forum have made some extra scratch gaffing or shooting the odd skin flick.

 

Anyone have any good stories?

 

I seem to remember David Mullen getting dragged (unwittingly) on to a porn set by a guy who wanted him to try the catering... something about 'doing the DP after lunch!'

 

- nathan

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I've got a lovely little script collecting dust about an artist and his model; your basic love story except that the female lead is nude through much of the middle and end. I couldn't get it cast locally because folks here automatically associate nudity with sex. The script had no sex in it. It was implied as occurring but never manifest on screen. Still, it was a casting disaster. I finally just shelved it. Shame, since it was a charming and beautiful story.

 

In art school, the figurative drawing class (drawing nudes) was treated as top secret by the school. This is a university where everyone is supposed to be smart and mature. I do understand that the South is behind the rest of the country by about 10-15 years. Is everywhere in the USA like this? As I understand it Europe has a reputation for not being so squeamish.

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I do understand that the South is behind the rest of the country by about 10-15 years. Is everywhere in the USA like this? As I understand it Europe has a reputation for not being so squeamish.

 

 

Where I am figure drawing classes are regular as rain and no secret knock on the door is required, when I lived in Milan TV Spots with topless women seemed to be quite normal and that put a smile on my face.

 

-Rob-

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I do understand that the South is behind the rest of the country by about 10-15 years. Is everywhere in the USA like this? As I understand it Europe has a reputation for not being so squeamish.

 

'Behind' is a relative term. Having come from California I can assure you they are 'behind' the South in many many categories as Liberalism does not always constitute advancement. In many many ways it can put you behind.

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Hee hee hee....

 

Now we just need someone to mention Hitler and then it's official... cine.com has WON THE INTERNETS.

 

It was not pr0n, but, I was 2nd ACing on a job where we were shooting a sex scene in which the drunken boyfriend drunkenly bangs his sober girlfriend, and the whole time, the gaffer (also female) and I were snickering to each other, "It would never happen! Whiskey dick!" What? It's true.

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The universe does not work by magic. Everything is built on a system. Its fine to say God built the system but its all a system none the less.

 

Science constantly strives to prove and disprove theories using empirical evidence based on repeatable tests. Science only strives to understand how things work.

 

The theory that the world was flat was not based on science. Its was just as much religion and belief with no empirical evidence. The only way to gain empirical evidence is to sail out to the edge and see for yourself.

 

 

As far as science goes.. wasn't 'science' telling the early european sailors not to venture out to far as the world in flat and you could fall off the edge.. or that everything revolves around the earth? The letting of blood can heal and on and on and on......

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Along with the fact that their is no successful industrialized nation that functions on the principles of Christian conservatism. Are their any successful industrialized nations that function on the principles of democratic socialism?

 

 

 

'Behind' is a relative term. Having come from California I can assure you they are 'behind' the South in many many categories as Liberalism does not always constitute advancement. In many many ways it can put you behind.

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this thread is weirdly synchronistic...

 

for years i've had this notion in the back of my mind that after i finish the first personal project i am working on, i was going to tackle the genre of 'erotic art'...in the last week or so, i've really been thinking about this a lot

 

not porn per se, granted it shares some of the same elements, but the intent is somewhat different. while i like the anthropological arguments, i think they are too black and white. society has gotten to the point where gender roles aren't so starkly polarized. it's okay for men to appreciate beauty simply for the sake of beauty and for women to enjoy visceral pleasure.

 

So, if you are looking to make porn with a high aesthetic/ and high production value. I think you should be more worried about set design and lighting than a camera, with a thought or three given to what you want to do with the footage in post. My personal philosophy in this particular case is shoot for sharpness, and then diffuse it in post. you can take detail out, but you can't put it in. if you don't want to spend that much time or effort on post, than pick a camera with a setting for skin tone detail handling, like the panasonic HPX/HVX's or the Sony EX-1. This will help mitigate the pimples that come from shaving parts of the body that, well...you know...

 

also, i'll offer advice and ask a question. you should probably do some research into erotic art to get an idea of how to use the lighting and composition to really accentuate the beauty in each scene.

 

does anyone know any erotic art director's or erotic art films? i've only seen books of photography on this subject...but then i've never had time to research this further, as thought provoking as it would be....

 

as far as the morality/ religious issues go... please, let's leave politics and religion at the door...*we all* have a tendency to offend someone with our views...there are forums for that all over the place...

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Anyone have any good stories?

 

Yes I do.

 

A couple of years ago I was in Los Angeles, a friend of mine offered me to finish a film he was shooting because he was moving on to another film. He explained the film was soft core porn. I told him I'd never done anything like that before. He said its fine they want it to look like a high key movie.

 

I got hired on. I looked at the footage they'd already shot. It was primarily high key glamour shots of naked girls. I never read the script. But their didn't seem to be much point any way. The scenes we shot were of girls having empty banter while nude or changing clothes.

 

I learned the girls in these movies are the ones you see in Maxim Magazine or in Playboy. They don't mind showing T n' A. But they came to LA to be legitimate actresses. They don't want to do porn, but they cannot get much mainstream work, soft core pays the bills without making them hardcore porn stars.

 

One day we are outside in a neighborhood in Calabasis. I'm with the grips setting up a 6x6 silk to soften the harsh California sun and a 6x6 reflector board as fill. The actress in the scene is standing stark naked on the street as I tweek her lighting. I'm thinking to myself maybe things are different in California, but normally its illegal to stand naked on the public street.

 

I'm pretty uncomfortable. I'm not used lighting to naked women, add to it we are out on the street and she is the only naked person. She has to walk into this shot. Trying to ignore her artificially enhanced breasts, I'm explaining to her where her mark is and where her lighting is perfect.

 

While I'm talking to her. I begin to see tears come down her face. She tries to control it but she suddenly begins to cry. This adds enormously to the uncomfortableness of the moment. I suppose I don't have much of a feminine nurturing instinct. I stand there unsure of what to do. What do I say? How do I comfort a naked crying woman?

 

Thankfully hair and make up see what's going on. They come over and grab her taking her to the side. They pull out a towel and cover her. I'm wondering why wasn't she covered before. The director comes over asking what is going on. He gets upset and begins to curse because the shot is ready to go and she is holding us up.

 

I find out later that at that moment I was talking to her she realized this is not why she came to LA. She came to LA to be an actress not to be standing out on the street naked.

 

It was quite an eye opening experience for me.

 

Oh also we were shooting with two Panasonic Varicams, Canon zoom lens.

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I find out later that at that moment I was talking to her she realized this is not why she came to LA. She came to LA to be an actress not to be standing out on the street naked.

 

 

It's hard to climb a mountain in a straight line...

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