Premium Member Sean Morris Posted June 26, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted June 26, 2012 Hi Frank, Thanks for the detailed info, do you know roughly how much this camera sells for? I've tried to google but my searches reveal POA.. Ideally in a perfect world I'd love to do Super16 neg and S8 on the side. I have a small bm resolve setup so if I could colour in that app from the files from the camera that would be Stella. Cheers Sean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Vine Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 About £1300 in the UK plus tax. It is a bit cheaper in the US if you can source from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Christopher Sheneman Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Hi all, This thread has been a good read.. Recently i picked up a 2nd hand jk optical printer with 16/35 gates, I've been looking at the vast array of machine cameras on the market, and it's quite a headache, specs are hard to find and prices are staggering... I feel this rabbit hole has no end. I've thought about a continuous light source but noticed all the frame by frame scanners on the market use a strobe style light source.. Thoughts? Cheers, Sean Northwest film forum, a non-profit film making center, has had a DIY telecine for years now. It consists of a JK optical printer and a XL canon camera. Here's a link: http://www.nwfilmforum.org/live/collection/equipment/218 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Van de Putte Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 There's also only so much information you will get out of an S8 frame and at the risk of starting yet another useless debate on the subject, HD1 (1280x960) if cropped is probably about it. A 1920x1080 with side borders to maintain the original format is also about right. I agree. HD1 is more than enough for 8mm film. It's not all about resolution. A good 1280x720 transfer will look much better than a bad 1920x1080 transfer. Also, modern HD TV flatscreens are having very good internal upscaling systems. Even a good 720x576 filmtransfer will still look very good in full HD on one of those modern flatscreen TV's. It also depends on what the end target is. HD TV? Computer? Digital projector perhaps? On a HD computerscreen, you will see any artefact. But when watched the same file from a distance on a HD TV for example, those artefacts are barely visible and not disturbing at all. And then there is the aspect ratio problem. To keep 4:3, we need to add black borders. So 1280x720 is actualy 960x720 with two 160 pixels black borders. However, it is possible to crop the 4:3 picture to 16:9 as you can see here: https://vimeo.com/37394781 As you will see, I'm limited with my current 1024x768 camera. With Frank's camera it is possible to crop straight to 1280x720. PS: as for the wetgate: the Film-O-Clean used with Filmguard should do the trick. many greetings from Belgium, Fred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Thompson Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I like this thread. Im sick of these scum bag post houses Quoting me by the frame to scan my neg. What we need is a nice Spirit Datacine thats been skipped. We save it, get the DIY dons like Frank on the case and setup our own Datacine community. Everyone chips in say 200 euros a month. IT pays frank, bish bash Bosh. Frank? What you saying? Lets make this happen. Lets make shooting 35mm as easy as an iPhone vid. Who's in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sean Morris Posted June 30, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted June 30, 2012 Haha i feel your pain, that's why I purchased an old jk optical printer, I got sick of paying stupid fees to go to hd tape then back to QuickTime files and so on etc.. Cheers Sean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Howell Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Did anyone see this on ebay? I've never seen one before and couldn't find much info about it on google, the seller says the camera could be swapped out for something with higher spec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Thompson Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Some one buy that and fit a red epic to it. Cant be that hard. I'm clueless to actually doing it. But some one with a small degree of engineering could work that out. SURELY? Be so cheap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan kessler Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 While I don't know the specifics of this machine, I suspect it isn't much more than a rotary prism flat-bed editor/viewer with a video tap. You won't have the optics, image stabilization or illumination controls of an actual telecine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sean Morris Posted July 2, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted July 2, 2012 That was my exact thoughts too, bit like a steenbeck, I've seen medical x-ray viewing machines very similar to this as well Cheers Sean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Richards Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 I'm building a telecine rig based on Frank Vine's lighting system, for 16mm to transfer some films, using a Point Grey 2.8MP mono camera, catpuring each frame three times, once for each R, G and B channel in uncompressed 16bit. When I'm done capturing my stuff, I'd be happy to do anyone's captures just based on a cheap hourly rate to cover my time, if it was for their own film projects. I'm not sure if that is of any interest to anyone, but I thought I'd throw it out there, I would love people to still be able to shoot on film! I can do Super8 as well using the same camera, but I don't know if anyone uses that any more at all? I'm looking to build a 35mm unit in a year or so, I have a bunch of 35mm stuff to transfer as well. A big thanks to all of the Franks and everyone else that has helped me out over the years, it has been wonderful to pick everyone's brains and to be finally getting close to having the rig finished at the quality level I needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Richards Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Did anyone see this on ebay? I've never seen one before and couldn't find much info about it on google, the seller says the camera could be swapped out for something with higher spec That is an angiograph viewer, not sure it is setup for 35mm cine film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Van de Putte Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) I'm building a telecine rig based on Frank Vine's lighting system, for 16mm to transfer some films, using a Point Grey 2.8MP mono camera, catpuring each frame three times, once for each R, G and B channel in uncompressed 16bit. Hi Peter, I would love to see some (color) frames, is this possible? I assume you you are capturing image sequenses , right? And how do you merge the R, G and B ? Fred. Edited September 28, 2012 by Freddy Van de Putte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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