Nicholas Kovats Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 This is incredible in my humble opinion. Officially released just a few hours ago. 1. Cheap as in $79 US cheap. 2. Undeniable mass appeal. 3. Handcranked! 4. 36 exposure 35mm film cassettes. 5. Shoots identical UltraPan8 aspect ratio = 2.8:1, i.e. 14mm x 8.5mm frame area is created by utilizing a 35mm 2 perf pulldown resulting in 144 "UP8" frames" per 36 exposure 35mm film cassette! Official Lomokino site -> http://microsites.lomography.com/lomokino/, i.e Film type : 35mm Exposure area : 24mm x 8.5mm Frames per. roll (36 exp.) : 144 frames Frame rate : Approximately 3-5 frames per second Taking Lens : 25mm Angle of view : 54 degrees Aperture : f/5.6, f/8, f/11 (Continuous aperture) Shutter speed : 1/100 Film Advancing : Manual Film Counting : Volume display Focusing : (Normal) 1m~infinity, (Press button for) 0.6m close-up View finding : Inverse-Galileo foldable viewfinder Flash sync : x-sync (hot-shoe) Tripod mount : Standard 1/4" tripod screw Check out the sample footage -> http://vimeo.com/31503625. The implications are wonderful! Cheers! Nicholas UltraPan8 -> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Howell Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 That looks pretty ninja!!!!! I wonder if you crank it super fast you can get up to more than 5fps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Stevens Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 It's a nice toy, but I can't see it being anything more than that. Transferring looks to be a bit of a pain in the rear. Not that I don't want one. I just sent my wife the link and titled the email, 'Christmas hint.' B) I'd love to take one to Saigon next year, set it up on a tripod and crank it slowly. Get those time lapse shots of an amazing city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Howell Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 It's a nice toy, but I can't see it being anything more than that. How does one get transfers? you can buy a desktop 35mm film scanner for less than the price of a 100foot telecine!!! These work with both neg and slide film! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Will Montgomery Posted November 3, 2011 Premium Member Share Posted November 3, 2011 you can buy a desktop 35mm film scanner for less than the price of a 100foot telecine!!! These work with both neg and slide film! Yes, but have fun scanning each frame (144), saving it out as a jpeg then reassembling as a movie. Not hard, just time consuming. After Effects could do it ok. Shoots identical UltraPan8 aspect ratio = 2.8:1, i.e. 14mm x 8.5mm Except it's twice the size, right? It is simply 2-perf 35mm... Too bad there's not a 100' roll version! That would be fun. Then maybe add a motor...hmmm.... sounds like we're getting into 2-perf Eyemo territory which is something I've always wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Adrian Sierkowski Posted November 3, 2011 Premium Member Share Posted November 3, 2011 Hell I'd buy one for $79 and find some use for it. It's less than a "oh that's cool" 4x4 filter impulse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Stevens Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 The manual labor involved in scanning and then putting the pieces together would be too much for me. I have a Nikon R10 super8 and love shooting with it. Super8 is just the bomb, to me. Still, this will give some great pleasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Black Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 The manual labor involved in scanning and then putting the pieces together would be too much for me. I have a Nikon R10 super8 and love shooting with it. Super8 is just the bomb, to me. Still, this will give some great pleasure. I suspect that people will write software to improve the workflow in time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Howell Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I suspect that people will write software to improve the workflow in time! It really isn't a big job in after effects and I believe there's also a Photoshop script for turning film strips in to separate frames! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Cooper Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 It really isn't a big job in after effects and I believe there's also a Photoshop script for turning film strips in to separate frames! Cool! Previously, I was viualising me manually cropping each and every frame. Now to scan a whole film strip, obviously, you'd need a flat bed scanner. It seems to be the general consensus that dedicated neg scanners give better quality results for 35mm negs / slides compared to flat bed scanners. Is there any truth to this? Is there actually such a thing as a flat bed scanner that would rival a negative scanner for quality output? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Stevens Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 A few months ago I sold my dedicated flat bed scanner, which could scan negatives and deliver stunning quality. Whoops. My bad. :blink: But hey, we were going to move overseas and I couldn't take it with us. Of course, now the move is cancelled. Sold lot of poop I wish I hadn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock Blakley Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Why is this in the Super-8 forum anyway? The 24 x 8.5mm frame is closest to Techniscope's 22 x 9.47 mm - and either way it's 35mm. Albeit with a frame rate that's useless for full motion and a hellish post-production workflow unless you've got plenty of time or some nice automation happening. If you did happen to be blessed with an automatic-advance scanner though - either automatically advancing a ~230 mm strip or automatically advancing the entire uncut roll, either way IIRC some Canon and Nikon models did one or the other - you could hope that the Lomokino's registration was accurate and probably get more than decent results. Which kind of leads me to hope that somebody will find a way to adapt the Lomokino's movement to a motor-driven 100-foot-load camera :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Will Montgomery Posted November 7, 2011 Premium Member Share Posted November 7, 2011 Which kind of leads me to hope that somebody will find a way to adapt the Lomokino's movement to a motor-driven 100-foot-load camera :P That's why I just ordered two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Will Montgomery Posted January 2, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted January 2, 2012 Fun little toy. Finally got around to using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Kovats Posted January 2, 2012 Author Share Posted January 2, 2012 Good job, Will. And definitely steadier and more consistently exposed than the average Lomokino film. I will unwrap mine sometime in the new year and give it a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgen Lossau Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Hi Will, indedd, good work. We made a test for schmalfilm magazine and did not get more than 2-3 pictures per second. And we had real problems with steadyness even on a tripod - this is because of the handcrank and the whole plastic construction. I am not sure how long such a crank will work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bartok Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Ive been thinking about it all day just imagine sticking a bolex motor on the side of that, and putting a 200ft mag on it hahaha if only, Lets just see if they release something even better next, that would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Will Montgomery Posted January 3, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted January 3, 2012 It's completely a toy; fun but not practical for real work. It's all plastic and you can't crank it fast enough...it won't let you even if you could rig a motor. What we need is something like a reflex Eyemo that shoots 2-perf on 100 ft rolls. Spring driven or motorized; that would be very useful. Nikon or Canon lens mount would be nice too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Stevens Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Dream on, my friend. Dream on. :P Of course, it is nice to dream. I dream of a new super8 camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Dom Jaeger Posted January 4, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted January 4, 2012 What we need is something like a reflex Eyemo that shoots 2-perf on 100 ft rolls. Spring driven or motorized; that would be very useful. Nikon or Canon lens mount would be nice too. How about a Techniscope Arri 2C? Reflex, 2-perf pull-down, motorised and about as far from plastic as you can get. B) The rental house I work for has one sitting in a cupboard waiting for me to overhaul it, but the demand for rental film cameras in Australia is virtually non-existent these days, so it's well down the priority list unfortunately. There are plenty of other cameras that have been converted to 2-perf since the original 60s Techniscope era (local camera engineer Bruce McNaughton has done a few), but a 2-perf 2C would probably be the most affordable, if ever one pops up for sale. In the US I imagine you could rent older 2-perf cameras for peanuts these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Kovats Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 Dom, That is a very nice camera. However I suspect the Arri 2C Techniscope mod is not very common over here in North America. I preuse eBay on a daily basis and I rarely see this specific Techniscope mod. I suspect the newer (2007) 2 perf Arri 235 cams are much more plentiful as per the NA rental houses. Albeit pricier I readily found 3x 235 examples on eBay. Bruce McNaughton's Techniscope work is very highly regarded indeed. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Will Montgomery Posted January 4, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted January 4, 2012 In the US I imagine you could rent older 2-perf cameras for peanuts these days. Can't find any older 2-perf... the new ones aren't cheap however. 3c's and even newer 4-perf no problem, but 3-perf and 2-perf seem to be higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Javor Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I motorized mine with a cordless drill and ran it about 18fps. here's the demo and how to... it's really easy :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Conroy Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I motorized mine with a cordless drill and ran it about 18fps. here's the demo and how to... it's really easy :) haha yea, i just saw this on youtube earlier today - great idea! I'd really like to see more examples of this technique with faster moving objects like people etc. just to see how well it holds up I see you completely removed the crank - could you not have just attached the nut ontop of the crank? great work, regardless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Borowski Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 you can buy a desktop 35mm film scanner for less than the price of a 100foot telecine!!! These work with both neg and slide film! Geoff, the cost of a DECENTY 2-perf. scan (better than standard def. pixelated, mushy quality) is still up there. A 2-perf. frame is a very small size to scan well. That being said, this is an INCREDIBLE little invention. I note there's already a post on here from November, that I totally missed, probably from banging head against darkroom wall with all the Kodak doom and gloom. I digress. . . Anyway, I don't think anyone should knock a fun, simple, inexpensive foray into the world of filmmaking. This is arguably the greatest invention for the amateur filmmaking enthusiast (read student filmmakers, schoolkids, up-and-comers) since the '50s. Honestly, this is better, more flexible education than any windup 16mm, 8mm could be for a kid. Give a 12-y.o. a Bolex and some Kodachrome 25 back in the dayand you'd probably shell out 2-3 times the cost of processing a 35mm 36 size to get blank film back. Think of the potential here! This is a HUGE OPPORTUNITY for any of you in the lab industry as well. It's a $90 2-perf. camera! Honestly, I think it's only a matter of time before they come up with some sort of simple rubber-band or 24 system. Even a 100-footer wouldn't be too outside the realm of possibility. There's a Flickr and a Vimeo group (or groups?) on this camera worth checking out. IDK if I'll buy one personally, I shoot plenty of 8- and 16, but I'd love to have one of these movies for an icon at the lab. Anyone that is willing to lend me theirs I'll make you high-res TIFF 100+MB scans of four or five of your movies for the "rental." I'm going to explore the opportunity of making either contact prints, or 2- to 4-perf. pulldown conversions so that one of these can actually be looped on a 35-mm projector. That'd be another great innovation for this company. . . Hmm, looking at it here, it's already been motorized, how hard would it be to stick say a 100W lightbulb in it and project a positive copy? Like I said HUGE, LOW-TECH. potential that is limited only by the bounds of imagination. This, arguably brings HD production to the masses even more than any $XX,000 camera that supports single frame time-lapse mode too. As to the optics, I'd really like to know the quality, but I wouldn't surprise if even a 2-perf. with a simple meniscus lens is capable of reaching 1080P quality. Again, my offer stands, anyone wanting to get 4-5 movies souped scanned and *printed* in exchange for us making a LomoKino movie about LomoKino processing :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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