Brian Drysdale Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Sony have announced their F5 and F55 cameras. Looks like they've used design aspects of a number of other cameras, plus I gather it has a global shutter sensor http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/show-highend/resource.solutions.bbsccms-assets-show-highend-F5.shtml You can record the 4K RAW footage with their AXS-R5. Edited October 30, 2012 by Brian Drysdale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 The standard codec is the new XAVC for intra-frame 4K at 300Mbit 4-2-2 10bit and 1080p at between 4-2-2 8bit 50Mbit and 10bit 100Mbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Here's pdf info on both cameras. http://pro.sony.com/bbsccms/assets/files/show/highend/pdf/F5_Camera.pdf http://pro.sony.com/bbsccms/assets/files/show/highend/pdf/F55_Camera.pdf The global shutter is the same as used on the F65. Edited October 30, 2012 by Brian Drysdale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 Film & Digital times summing up, plus some pics of hand held use. http://www.fdtimes.com/2012/10/30/sony-f55-and-f5/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted October 30, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted October 30, 2012 The standard codec is the new XAVC for intra-frame 4K at 300Mbit 4-2-2 10bit and 1080p at between 4-2-2 8bit 50Mbit and 10bit 100Mbit. That's the confusing part -- 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 wouldn't be raw, so is that a separate recording format & recorder for 16-bit raw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 That's the confusing part -- 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 wouldn't be raw, so is that a separate recording format & recorder for 16-bit raw? It seems that the RAW is recoded on a separate recorder (a AXS-R5 recorder that uses a new AXS Memory Card) which can be mounted on board as a module. With hindsight perhaps the thread title is confusing, the 2 cameras seem to offer a range of format options based on two different sensors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted October 30, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted October 30, 2012 I handled one earlier, at the London launch event (I understand the US one was, er, rained off). It's a bit of a lump weight-wise but I guess that's what happens when you insist it's made of metal. In general looks quite good, very reminiscent of Alexa. The viewfinder is quite nice. Really the proof is in the pricing. P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 Really the proof is in the pricing. One Belgium dealer has the F5 at 15k Euros and the F55 at 19k Euros plus the VAT, no doubt the accessories needed for a shooting kit will add to those figures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Black Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 One Belgium dealer has the F5 at 15k Euros and the F55 at 19k Euros plus the VAT, no doubt the accessories needed for a shooting kit will add to those figures I think it's really smart marketing to make it look so much like the Alexa, as it has definitely made it more of an object of lust in doing so judging by peoples reactions. Sony always seem really together with their marketing etc, but on the other hand they are apparently making a huge loss at the moment, but these are difficult times for a lot of companies. Pricing seems strange to me however. 15k vs 19k. That means only 4k difference for the F55 which seems to be waaaaaaay better. Having said that I can't even afford the F5! Looking forward to seeing some images! love Freya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted October 31, 2012 Author Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) I don't know how accurate these prices are, they could change, this happened with other cameras. Could be it was a web site doing an internet flyer, CVP don't have anything on the price and this is mentioned in the comments. http://blog.creativevideo.co.uk/2012/10/sonys-newf-cameras-revealed-f5-f55/ There was a good amount of comment on the poor ergonomics of other recent cameras, while the Alexa has had praise in that front, so it would make sense to move that direction. Edited October 31, 2012 by Brian Drysdale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Black Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I don't know how accurate these prices are, they could change, this happened with other cameras. Could be it was a web site doing an internet flyer, CVP don't have anything on the price and this is mentioned in the comments. http://blog.creativevideo.co.uk/2012/10/sonys-newf-cameras-revealed-f5-f55/ There was a good amount of comment on the poor ergonomics of other recent cameras, while the Alexa has had praise in that front, so it would make sense to move that direction. Sony came up for some criticism in particular with the fs100/700 so maybe they have been considering that. It does look nice too and that's not to be entirely underestimated as a factor in some ways, as I guess if the camera looks nice the client may have more confidence in you! (odd but that's the way humans are!) These cameras do appear to be genuinely interesting in spite of all the hype tho it must be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted October 31, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted October 31, 2012 €19k is very cheap even if it were the cost body only without the 4K recorder, bearing in mind that you would need lens, viewfinder and batteries at a minimum, plus the recorder and media if you want 4K. The lenses alone could double that price. Still, the proof is in the pictures. P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Sponsor Robert Houllahan Posted October 31, 2012 Site Sponsor Share Posted October 31, 2012 There seem to be a number of places quoting the F5 as being a $15k body and the F55 as being a $25K body and that the 4K recorder for the FS700 will be $2K of course this pricing is not confirmed. -Rob- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted November 1, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted November 1, 2012 Keen. And how much is an Epic these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Sponsor Robert Houllahan Posted November 1, 2012 Site Sponsor Share Posted November 1, 2012 Keen. And how much is an Epic these days? About $35K for the brain, although JJ just announced that there will be price reductions. -Rob- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Mark Kenfield Posted November 1, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted November 1, 2012 I handled one earlier, at the London launch event (I understand the US one was, er, rained off). It's a bit of a lump weight-wise but I guess that's what happens when you insist it's made of metal. In general looks quite good, very reminiscent of Alexa. The viewfinder is quite nice. Really the proof is in the pricing. P What would you guestimate the weight to be (rigged up with RAW-recorder, battery and EVF Phil? The specs are saying just about 2kg for the body alone, so I was expecting a fairly lightweight setup (compared to Alexa, Epic and F65 at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted November 1, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted November 1, 2012 Those numbers sound about right. I think it's more a case of expectations and a density issue than an absolute weight one, as the thing is really quite small - it almost hid behind the Cooke lenses. Also being black with silver buttons and a nice colourful OLED on the side makes it subjectively look like a Sony camera, which one automatically expects to be fairly plasticky and lightweight. The body probably is about two kilos, although by the time you've slapped a lens on the front, V-mount on the back, possibly the recorder, the EVF.... I dunno, it has to be three, probably three and a half depending on the lens. But it's not big. P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Zuzak Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Can someone explain to me why Sony is introducing a new memory format that is ASXM? I understand SxS Pro+ as a feasible low cost alternative for low bit rate recording. Why didn't they just sell SRMaster memory cards for the new external RAW recorder? Before someone mentions price, they have low speed 1.5 Gbps SRMaster cards already, which is about the same speed as these new ASXM cards. Isn't this just redundant and simultaneously, illogically confusing market segmentation? Tl;dr: Promote SRMaster for RAW/high data rate external capture. Promote SxS Pro+ cards for internal low bit rate/ready-to-edit recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted November 1, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted November 1, 2012 Can someone explain to me why Sony is introducing a new memory format that is ASXM? Because, er, because, er, because, er... Why didn't they just sell SRMaster memory cards for the new external RAW recorder? Er, because, er, because... Isn't this just redundant and simultaneously, illogically confusing market segmentation? Yes. That's basically what I was trying to say above. I suspect they may be deliberately trying to segment their "really high end" SR market from their "not quite so high end" AXS market, but if that's the case it really is a desperately obvious and cynical attempt to do so. P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Zuzak Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 What's really dumbfounding is that these new cameras are part of the CineAlta line. Shouldn't "high-end" SRMaster go with "high-end" CineAlta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted November 1, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted November 1, 2012 Not so much - an EX1 has "CineAlta" written on it. From what I hear, it simply means high definition and 24p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Black Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 The future ahead of schedule: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Mark Kenfield Posted November 5, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted November 5, 2012 Those numbers sound about right. I think it's more a case of expectations and a density issue than an absolute weight one, as the thing is really quite small - it almost hid behind the Cooke lenses. Also being black with silver buttons and a nice colourful OLED on the side makes it subjectively look like a Sony camera, which one automatically expects to be fairly plasticky and lightweight. The body probably is about two kilos, although by the time you've slapped a lens on the front, V-mount on the back, possibly the recorder, the EVF.... I dunno, it has to be three, probably three and a half depending on the lens. But it's not big. P Cheers Phil. One nice point with the cameras, and this is a point I think a few people are missing when they consider the price of the 'body only', is that this isn't the same thing as a Red 'brain only'. You don't HAVE to buy the other standard accessories to get anything working - you can throw one of your existing V-mount batteries on the rear end of the camera, attach your existing Zacuto/SmallHD/Cineroid/Alphatron/etc. EVF to one of the monitoring outputs, and get shooting straight away with nothing more than some SxS media (of one sort or another). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Watson Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Hello, I work for Division Camera in Hollywood and was able to attend the unveiling event the other month at Sony Studios. I did a little write-up on our blog giving the low-down on the new cameras. I hope it's useful to you guys. http://filmicdigital.com/hands-on-with-the-sony-f5-and-f55/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Black Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Theres now a bit of footage available of the F5 out there: http://www.redsharknews.com/production/item/364-first-sony-f5-video-short Freya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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