Evan Andrew John Prosofsky Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Hi! Shooting a music video on super8 of all things this coming week with a canon 1014 xls. The video needs to be finished at 16x9 and it is very important to me that I'm able to compose my shots in that ratio as we're shooting. Other than "visualizing", is there a way to actually mark the viewfinder somehow? What does everyone usually do when transferring to widescreen? Perplexed. Looking forward to hearing your responses, thankyou!! Evan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Burke Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 call pro8mm, you can rent cameras from them ( the very same you are using), that have 16:9 frame lines. Short of that, you might want to see if a camera shop can mark the viewfinder for you. I just eye ball it and it always works out, never had an issue where I couldn't re-frame to suit tastes. Duall, spectra come to mind for other shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Cunningham Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 call pro8mm, you can rent cameras from them ( the very same you are using), that have 16:9 frame lines. Short of that, you might want to see if a camera shop can mark the viewfinder for you. I just eye ball it and it always works out, never had an issue where I couldn't re-frame to suit tastes. Duall, spectra come to mind for other shops. Not only with Pro8mm's 1014 XL-s have the frame lines, it will also have a wider gate and re-aligned optics, much like Super16. So, rather than zooming in on 4:3 and already very small surface area of film, you will be only slightly zooming/cropping. See here: Say what you want about Pro8mm (many on this forum do). But, they've pretty much got the market corned for widened gate/16x9 Super 8. Spectra actually refers to the format as "oddball" and their telecine machines are not capable of scanning it. So, they won't help much if you do shoot in Max8 or Super Duper 8 as it was originally named. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Burke Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 You're in Canada? Check out www.Framediscreet.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Stevens Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) Please, for the sake of your sanity, avoid Pro8. Just do a search on pro8mm in the forum and you will see why. Edited February 26, 2013 by Matt Stevens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Cunningham Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Please, for the sake of your sanity, avoid Pro8. Just do a search on pro8mm in the forum and you will see why. I'm telling you Matt, if you ask to deal with Phil directly, things always go smoothly. The trick is to actually get that to happen. Sadly, there just doesn't seem to be anyone else doing the "Max8"/"Super Duper 8" thing and it really does make a huge difference if you want 16x9 framing. Super 8 is grainy enough. Zooming into a 4x3 frame makes it almost unbearable, especially with 500T. Plus, even the most die-hard film fans will never give film more than a 300 lpmm resolving power. That number is very high. With a 6mm wide Super 8 frame, that's only 1800 lines. So, your 1920 is wasted. The more likely resolving power of 500T is probably 200-250 for possibly as low as 1200 lines. You're just resolving more grain at that point. With an almost 7mm wide frame you are pushing 2100 and probably at least 1500 lines, making the 1920 more reasonable. It definitely looks WAY better. Just widening the gate isn't enough with most cameras. At a wide angle the frame will vignette on all the Canon's. You really need to re-align the optics. Anyway... just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Stevens Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) It's not just transfers that can be a problem. It's their billing. They can charge you what they want and just claim you asked for it. I had to fight a bogus charge last month. They were so rude and nasty I was stunned and they flat out told me they don't care if they lose my business. Nice. They are miserable mother.... Well, let me just stop or I'll go on a rant. Edited February 28, 2013 by Matt Stevens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andries Molenaar Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 You're in Canada? Check out www.Framediscreet.com Here are their examples http://framediscreet.com/category/super-duper-8-samples/ Possibly do rent out of this 1014xls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Andrew John Prosofsky Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Cool thanks everybody! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Frazer Noakes Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I shoot with a Canon 1014XL-S that has a widened gate and get a full res 16:9 scan - so the very minor crop is done during the scan and therefore I get an effective full 16:9 resolution transfer - the grain is veru slightly englarged but the improved resolution helps to detract from that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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