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Lighting Tri-x with no electricity


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Hello everyone,


I am planning to shoot in a very isolated location, accessible only by foot (after a few hours of walking, and over uneven terrain).


The location is a small abandonned cottage in the North of England. There will be a working fireplace and the room should appear to be lit by this source, and a few candles only.


I need your advice/experience on finding an appropriate way of lighting the scene without electricity. I have thought about battery-run torches & triple-wick candles, and push-processing.


I will be shooting on super 8 tri-x film (200 ISO) with a 4008 beaulieu camera and Schneider 6-66mm lens (max aperture: 1.8).


Let me know your thoughts!


Thanks a-million,


Jayne


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Shoot a faster film with lower contrast. That lighting sounds tricky (but doable) for Vision 500T. Tri-X is a PAIN to light correctly in low light. It's only got 1-1/2 stops of lattitude total. (3/4 up, 3/4 down)

 

If you want B&W, turn the saturation to 0 in post. Unless your workflow has you editing on film, you'll save yourself a ton of headaches down the line.

 

Other advice would be to make sure you've got a reflector in the fireplace. No need to waste any light. If you can dress the set, large mirrors or brass shields on stands to bounce light might help some.

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I LOVE Tri-X!



I can see why people are sensibly advising you to shoot on Vision stock but please don't shoot colour just to accommodate one low lighting set-up. It simply won't look the same and the properties of Tri-X are virtually magical to my eyes.

Just buy a lot of cheap portable flicker-free LED lights* and batteries off of eBay plus use two or three reflectors add a few more candles in shot and shoot it all on Tri-X.

 


* Try shooting a test cartridge at home with the lights beforehand, you will get a good idea of what is actually achievable then.

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I've been shooting nothing but tri-x at sxsw this week. Definitely have a few underexposed night exteriors. Should be fine I think, but I'll let you know after I get everything processed. Shooting a test roll with various lighting conditions is really the best advice.

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Wow, thanks guys for all your useful replies! :)

I LOVE TRI-X TOO Bill!!! What a beautiful stock! I have been shooting it and processing it by hand for years.

What kind of an autonomy can I expect from LED lights with portable batteries?

How far would you guys push-process if that was my only solution?

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Jayne,

 

I see someone else here has also suggested LED lights - I guess you got my post at film labs on hiring the LED lights of the sort that go on the top of ENG cameras for news work - the rectangular ones that use an array of LEDs so its a spread light.

 

These are light, flat and retangular so could lend themselves to being taped to something handy or even hand held rather than needing a tripod or stand and lifting the overall amount of light.

 

I would've thought it would be straightforward to hire one of two of them with a battery or two and charger or perhaps I'm a bit out of touch. I have to confess I don't know how long one battery would last operating a couple of these so perhaps two or three batteries would be better - depends on how else much you are carrying in to the location.

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Thanks to the exploding DSLR market there are now loads of portable LED lights that are cheaply available on-line.

 

In all honesty I would try to avoid pushing Tri-X more than a stop and concentrate on using portable lighting.

 

I strongly advise experimenting with a few examples and examining the end results.

 

They don't cost a fortune and you can always use them again.

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Pushing reversal film is not advisable unless you have seen the results and are happy with them. As I understand it, the Beaulieu cameras are good in low light even with f1,8 beinmg the widest aperture. Here is a film shot on a 5008 with Ekatchrome 64T in low light - look at the later scenes outdoors - I think they only had hand held lights - but not really sure. https://vimeo.com/1471613

 

However I am not that experienced with using Beaulieu cameras myself, but Tri-X is good for medium low light situations and not very good in real low light situations.

 

I agree that you shoudl do some tests - some pushed and some with LED portalamps and see what results you get and see if YOU are happy with the results.

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Brave woman. I admire you. I shot this straight8 under insane conditions over one long night in NYC's subways. It all came out, but I think even underground I had more light than you will have.

 

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Jayne you could also get a light gun on ebay, these things work wonders and if you get two or even three, then your got ghetto hollywood lighting lol, the LEDs are cool I just used one 2 days ago however my friends were shooting DSLR. Whats cool about the LED light kit I used was the fact the there were 2 cranks for hot and cold lighting on the side, it got me thinking about LED lighting and I am def gonna buy one of those and try to mix it up with my light guns.

 

old super 8 light guns work wonders and charms and so do the LEDs ( the newer little brother to the old school light guns)

 

I say if you have the bread use em both if your got budget go straight for the LED lights, if you got time and a budget for the super8 light guns on eBay

 

Sidenote: as a fellow new yorker super 8 enthusiast Matt, that is AWESOME! shooting in the subway can be disastrous, at least for me, now I know, put it manual and keep it wide at 2, but yeah Tri-X is awesome

 

Question: was there ever like a superior b&w film stock for super 8 like Eastman Double for 16mm and 35mm.. What was Plus X?

 

Does Fuji have a b&w 8mm stock?

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Rudy, thanks for your suggestions. I hadn't thought of that - I will check out those old super 8 guns on ebay now.

A friend of mine has just suggested gasoline lamps... like this : http://www.auvieuxcampeur.fr/terre/eclairage/lanterne-a-gaz/lanterne-f1-lite.html another avenue to explore!

Thanks for the video Matt, it looks great!!!

Here's my contribution (tri-x beaulieu 5008 and canon 814 - then hand-processed) with various lighting situations:

http://vimeo.com/14898901

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