Josh Gladstone Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) For timelapse/motion control shots they used a custom made camera. Here's all the info I could find on it: TODD-AO 70mm 70mm MOTION CONTROL TIME-LAPSE CAMERA SYSTEM MANIFACTURED BY: MAGIDSON FILMS INC. MOTION CONTROL AND COMPUTER PROGRAM BY: ATHENA SYSTEMS LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA JOHN CLARK MICHAEL R. O'GARA ART TANAKA PARTS MACHINED BY: MOLDEX METRIC GARO ESKENIAN DUC NGUYEN WALTER JOCHUM 70mm motion control time-lapse camera designed & constructed by: Ron Fricke. Manufactured by: Magidson Films Inc. Motion control and computer program: John Clark & Michael R. O'Gara & Art Tanaka (Athena Systems, Los Angeles, California). Parts machined by: Garo Eskenian & Duc Nguyen & Walter Jochum (Moldex Metric), Dave Garcia (Dav-Co Precision). Manufacture supervision: Joshua Tamir, Aron Tintfass. Additional electronics: Jim Sorensen. Additional camera modification: Reinhard Lichter." And it's really poor quality, but you can see it and they talk about it briefly in this video at around 1:25: (You can see the regular cameras they used as well if you start at around 1:08) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QxtjaiXvcg&t=68 Edited March 14, 2015 by Josh Gladstone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Burke Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) Yes, I remember seeing that making of video now. I thought they said they had a custom rig. Was Samsara shot with the same camera? Edited March 14, 2015 by Chris Burke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Burke Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Was Samsara shot with the same camera? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Gladstone Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 If I'm not mistaken, I believe they used two or three Panavision Super 70s plus the same time lapse camera they custom built for Chronos. They also switched from Todd AO lenses to Panavision from Baraka to Samsara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Palmer Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 If I'm not mistaken, I believe they used two or three Panavision Super 70s plus the same time lapse camera they custom built for Chronos. They also switched from Todd AO lenses to Panavision from Baraka to Samsara. In Chronos I believe the time-lapse camera was fitted with Bronica still lenses, which presumably covered the Imax format well, and very sharp certainly in still photography. I hadn't realised this custom-built camera was also used in Samsara. Did they continue with Bronica ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Pickering Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 Wow. With the small resurgence in 65mm origination, I wonder how long they will keep the remaining cameras in service? Certainly IMAX is covered, but from reading here, it seems 5 perf 65mm may be on its way out, at least with Arri anyway. I'd still love to do this project, but time doesn't seem to be on my side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cole t parzenn Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Well, I know of ONE available camera: a seller refurbished Mitchell FC - yours, for just $29,995! According to Wiki, they're BNCs, made bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dunn Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Working but not very usable. Evidently intended for unattended instrumentation use because It only has a rackover finder AFAICS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny N Suleimanagich Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Here is a reflex model with a full set of primes, for half the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Cunningham Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 You may find this interesting and helpful. Maybe you can work with them to special order 65mm motion picture film. I'm sure it can be worked out if the order is large enough. http://www.ilfordphoto.com/pressroom/article.asp?n=202 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dunn Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 MP film has a different perf profile from 35mm. stills. But Ilford used to make MP film, so maybe they could dig out their old perforators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Pickering Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 Problem isn't so much the film itself (as I'm sure Kodak could do a special order of 5222 in 65mm), but the developing. Fotokem has a machine capable of doing B&W film, but they said the challenges were to great and expensive to get it operational. So where else would one get the film developed (without shipping to Europe)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Simon Wyss Posted April 11, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted April 11, 2015 That is plain boldness. What’s challenging with diluting a commercially available developer such as XTOL or D-96 and fixer? Give them greetings from me, I can come over and run their darn machine as I have worked as a machine developer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Holland Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 No where in Europe to process 65mm colour or B+W . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthias Greving Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 ARRI Munich still has the machine to process 65mm at least in colour. But only as special order. Just send them a mail to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cole t parzenn Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Here is a reflex model with a full set of primes, for half the price. I saw that but wasn't sure what to make of the "Fries" name. I wonder about the lenses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dunn Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Fries modified any number of Mitchells and Arris for reflex viewing, PV mount and so on and are very well known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Black Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) MP film has a different perf profile from 35mm. stills. Not in the soviet union where they used to use Kodak pitch, so soviet cameras could be the answer there. Freya Edited April 19, 2015 by Freya Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Tuohy Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Yes though I believe the soviets shot 70 rather than 65! I know a fellow here who had a Konvas 70 converted to 65. Silly boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted July 2, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted July 2, 2015 Got some numbers for you guys! So here is the cost to make a 65mm film through and through: 8003659 50D 1000ft = $1247 Retal 1662428 500T 1000ft = $1400 Retail 8 min per 1000ft roll 120 min total length of film 8:1 shooting ratio 106 rolls of film (MAX) $148k production stock Processing $35,000 Telecine $20,000 Feature = 16,000 feet inter positive $62,000 answer print $14,000 Audio= $2720 $135,000 + $15,000 (audio licensing) + 6k (negative cut + splice) Panavision Sound camera package = $120,000 for a 6 week shoot $180,000 (processing) + $148,000 (stock) + $240 camera = $568,000 So for $568,000 you can pay for 65mm, if you're efficient. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Gladstone Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Hah. Wow. Love it. For half a mil, you can shoot 65mm if you're careful. I wonder how that budget would compare to shooting on an Alexa65. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Justin Hayward Posted July 3, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted July 3, 2015 Got some numbers for you guys! So here is the cost to make a 65mm film through and through: 8003659 50D 1000ft = $1247 Retal 1662428 500T 1000ft = $1400 Retail 8 min per 1000ft roll 120 min total length of film 8:1 shooting ratio 106 rolls of film (MAX) $148k production stock Processing $35,000 Telecine $20,000 Feature = 16,000 feet inter positive $62,000 answer print $14,000 Audio= $2720 $135,000 + $15,000 (audio licensing) + 6k (negative cut + splice) Panavision Sound camera package = $120,000 for a 6 week shoot $180,000 (processing) + $148,000 (stock) + $240 camera = $568,000 So for $568,000 you can pay for 65mm, if you're efficient. Get on that script! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted July 3, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted July 3, 2015 I'm budgeting a short documentary film on 65mm right now. It may get off the ground quicker then any feature as there is potentially some big funding behind it. Now that it looks feasible to shoot large format, I can apply this model to ANY script/story I want. Honestly, I may search for a better, more worthy script first. There are plenty of great one's out there. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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