Mother! by Darren Aronofsky

[John Holland]

Guns are know way cool !

[Stephen Perera]

hahaha excellent....sense of humour above all....

[Keith Walters]

Ahrrr yes, well the "Right to Bear Arms" thing dates from the time when "arms" mostly meant swords and knives, and when handguns were only marginally more dangerous to the target than to the person firing it (or attempting to fire it). It was never intended to refer to fully automatic assault rifles and the like.

It's similar to copyright law, which was really only intended to cover areas where the law could practically be enforced, such as bulk printing pirated copies of books and the like. Laws against one-off copying using modern technologies is virtually unenforceable, although there are any number of charlatans happy to take corporations' money to pretend they can do otherwise.

[Keith Walters]

as a European I find it more shocking to be able to walk into a place and buy a gun and your 'right to bear arms' than any movie I will ever see where actually it's all pretend and nobody actually gets hurt hahaha sorry but I really do find the American culture and way of life quite shocking at times.....don't slam me for this it really IS a shocker for us in Europe....

 

Ahrrr yes #2: Yet the number of US citizens killed by firearms, even including those during the civil war, is a drop in the bucket, compared to what has gone down in supposedly über-civilized Europe in all their various dumbass tribal conflicts.

[Dom Jaeger]

Like many contributors to this strangely reactionary thread, I haven't seen "mother!" either yet, but quoting a page of bad imbd reviews must be the least persuasive reason I've ever heard to not see it.

 

It's also worth remembering that Greek mythology had its share of baby-eating stories, as well as patricide, incest and plenty of other topics that won't make it into the next Boddington production, but still have a place in human art and culture, sometimes as nothing more than allegory.

 

Whether it's a failed experiment or not, I'm glad films exist that explore more than just how to distract an audience for a few hours. People complain about the safe and generic nature of so much Hollywood fare and then howl down genuine attempts to try something different. Bravo to anyone who defies the cookie cutter approach I reckon.

[Samuel Berger]

I just don't like the director's work in general.

 

And about the 2nd Amendment, that's going into the direction of politics, which is against forum rules.

[Stephen Perera]

politics is one thing...cultural issues are another....this film is 0.5% Tarantino, 0.00001% Walking Dead in terms of 'gore'...and THIS film shocks people?..and they haven't even seen it? the whole film is an allegory....its a masterpiece pure and simple....in my view...and to boot in beautiful 16mm Kodak

[Samuel Berger]

politics is one thing...cultural issues are another..

Yes we are all aware over here that the concept of Liberty is completely alien to Europeans and Australians and pretty much most of the world.

 

Which is exactly why our founders left those little dictatorships and created the greatest nation in the world.

Edited September 25, 2017 by Samuel Berger

[Stephen Perera]

hahaha tongue firmly in cheek i hope...

Edited September 25, 2017 by Stephen Perera

[Samuel Berger]

hahaha tongue firmly in cheek i hope...

I'm not kidding, we really do have an awesome beautiful country here in the United States, we're not treated like children by the government except in regressive states like California, our people are polite and hardworking, we have a sense of belonging, we're taxed but not taxed to death, except in the more regressive socialist states, and yes we can buy guns if we are well behaved and pass the background checks, because we don't immediately assume our citizens are automatic criminals, and we don't ascribe magic powers to guns.

[Stephen Perera]

I'm not kidding, we really do have an awesome beautiful country here in the United States, we're not treated like children by the government except in regressive states like California, our people are polite and hardworking, we have a sense of belonging, we're taxed but not taxed to death, except in the more regressive socialist states, and yes we can buy guns if we are well behaved and pass the background checks, because we don't immediately assume our citizens are automatic criminals, and we don't ascribe magic powers to guns.

 

Good man.....I have visited a few times and enjoyed it.....I have many American friends.....

[Robin R Probyn]

 

Good man.....I have visited a few times and enjoyed it.....I have many American friends.....

 

 

Except them darn commie reds in Kalifornia .. its true folks.. its really true..

[Guest]

Which is exactly why our founders left those little dictatorships and created the greatest nation in the world.

 

They created Canada? Wow.

 

R,

[Gregg MacPherson]

 

 

Except them darn commie reds in Kalifornia .. its true folks.. its really true..

 

Robin, learn to discern (that rymes) between the left leaning elements in a democracy and the "commies".....If there is a scale of democratic qualities with a ver very affected by socialism at one end and the almost facist ver at the other end, where do you think our various countries or states fit. UK, New Zealand, California, ....I leave the right hand unwritten. And how is it in Japan? A country almost from a parallel universe, with a history of really extreme, violent and repressive qualities. We'll just sideline all the wonderfull things about Japan for now.... :)

 

New Zealand is an oddity. When I was studying it cost almost nothing in fees, and we had some living allowances. Hospital care was free and not too bad, and general practice doctors were cheap. Can't remember the tax rate..Higher than now..

 

Now the tuition fees have risen, the living allowances don't cut it, students have loans and the state health care is often struggling, the rich look for private health care and insurance. Income tax is reduced but a flat consumption tax (GST), a sales tax on everything, means we get taxed twice.....m-----f-----s. Suprisingly, changes begun by a our Labour (left wing) government, then developed further by our now National (right wing) government.

 

But here, Labour and National are like two overly similar siblings, poised to fight over who sucks on the teat of the nation....

 

Oh, what came over me. Clearly nothing to do with Aronofsky, eating babies and all..But thinking of Aronofsky, making The Fountain was a great achievement, should cover him for a few miss-steps, if that's what this is...

Edited September 26, 2017 by Gregg MacPherson

[Robin R Probyn]

Hell to the no!,, commie,long hairs making them dirty art films.. me and Sam doing to sort them out with a couple of hot barrel Saturday night specials .. and why aint there no damn NASCAR movies being made by them pinko pillow bitters in Holly Weird ..

 

Yes sir.. we going to make movies great again.. its true folks..

[Max Field]

We need more films like Thirteen where it opens to girls huffing compressed air and punching each other.

[Jon O'Brien]

Hot damn, boy, a kint wait!! (slaps knee, hard). Spits tobacco out into spitoon at foot of bar. Honky tonk piano plays in background, with damsel smiling back, leaning on it and fluttering eyelids. The barman smiles knowingly, and reaches under the bar and lifts an Arri 435 onto the top of the bar. Someone whistles softly and tips their hat back.

[Robin R Probyn]

Is that a mini in your pocket.. or just not that glad to see me..

[Jon O'Brien]

That's not a mini .... THAT'S a mini .... takes out ..... um, maybe a wittle pocket camera or something. turns it over in hand. demonstrates how to take pics with it....cut to animated Monty Python opening sequence. cue music.

[Michael Okorodudu]

I've had a few days away from this film and understand both reactions in terms of endearment and outrage. The film's cinematography is very fine and the casting wonderfully composed.

 

However, I do feel like the 'Hot Take' era we live in has caused the polarisation of a film that whether you enjoyed it or not, has poignant biblical and societal issues that strike wonderful discussion and provoking statements.

 

Its use of the High Concept of " God forever living in his own Hell" "Mother Nature" "Kane & Abel" and more relatable issues like"Unwelcome Neighbours" "Mob-like Cults and Fans" were in my opinion valuable assets in this film.

 

The Ending is Grotesque, its Hollywood, it needed to be (Marketing Mini Bomb) but its ambition alone is what should be taken seriously.

[Stephen Perera]

I've had a few days away from this film and understand both reactions in terms of endearment and outrage. The film's cinematography is very fine and the casting wonderfully composed.

 

However, I do feel like the 'Hot Take' era we live in has caused the polarisation of a film that whether you enjoyed it or not, has poignant biblical and societal issues that strike wonderful discussion and provoking statements.

 

Its use of the High Concept of " God forever living in his own Hell" "Mother Nature" "Kane & Abel" and more relatable issues like"Unwelcome Neighbours" "Mob-like Cults and Fans" were in my opinion valuable assets in this film.

 

The Ending is Grotesque, its Hollywood, it needed to be (Marketing Mini Bomb) but its ambition alone is what should be taken seriously.

 

......at last a considered, well written review from someone who saw it.....when I created this thread I was hoping for 'wonderful discussion' and appreciation of the cinematography but it went another way...."its ambition alone is what should be taken seriously"....could not have put it better myself....how people cant see this is beyond me....

Edited October 5, 2017 by Stephen Perera

[joshua gallegos]

I personally despised this film, and its playtime was incredibly short-lived in movie theaters. It is different than all the mass junk being made, but I thought Aronofsky was grossly self-absorbed with himself in this picture, and I found it absolutely nauseating how he pretends to masquerade this film as some kind of allegorical piece of cinema. In short, it's not very subtle and it wasn't done right. I'm a fan of Aronofsky's earlier work: Pi, Black Swan, The Wrestler, and I was looking forward to this new film of his, but came out of the theater confused and felt the whole thing was a waste of time. I think David Lynch does it way better with films such as 'Mulholland Drive', Lynch plays around with parallel realities- a variation of outcomes that play out simultaneously as captured in 'Inland Empire'. In the film 'Mother!', the camera never deviates from Jennifer Lawrence (hey, that's not a bad thing), but throughout the entire movie she was merely reacting to everything that happened around her, I mean, nothing really happens in the entire movie! At least with Bergman films and Tarkovsky, the characters are introspective, in this film we have none of that. It's almost as if Aronofsky saw Rosemary's Baby and then typed up some odd variation of that film in three days.

[Stephen Perera]

well at least you saw it so u can talk about it haha

[joshua gallegos]

I always go into a film with an open mind, and I truly want to enjoy what I'm watching, I rarely go to any film these days, and I only watch films that feature directors, actors, or cinematographers that I like, but this film wanted to be something that it wasn't, it was just counterfeit moviemaking, and I felt nothing for it at all. I can honestly say the baby being devoured by the cult followers didn't affect me, I've seen so much real carnage in life, that film gore has no effect on me whatsoever. America is shielded from most of the carnage that takes place in Syria or in Mexico, but unspeakable acts of terror and genocide are taking place world wide that we know nothing about, because the media chooses not to show you how hopeless the world is truly becoming. We are kept away in a fantasy land like children, to quote Colonel Kurtz in 'Apocalypse, Now'...