Elie Harriett Share Posted December 12, 2018 Hey all! For this holiday season, I was thinking of digging out the Super 8 and shooting some home movies. I thought it would be a fun idea to get the multiple cartridges spliced together and watched on our old family projector this year like our family used to do. Only thing is, there will be a lot of film shot in indoor lighting and I'd like to use higher speed film as a result. Only film I know of that can deal with indoor lighting is the Kodak Vision, which is a negative film. I reached out to Spectra, my goto motion picture developer, and they said they can't make a reversal print of what I shoot. Can someone recommend someone that can still make a reversal Super 8 print for me? I know I could just as easily grab some reversal stock, but I'm not sure how good that stuff is going to be for night time indoor lighting in the home. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Dunn Share Posted December 12, 2018 AFAIK Andec in Berlin is the only lab advertising Super-8 contact prints from neg. It's a very expensive option, at least €30/roll plus VAT and postage. They're referred to as "positive" rather than reversal. That term is reserved (!) for films which develop to a positive image, such as Ektachrome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elie Harriett Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 Damn! Maybe that wasn't a good idea then. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Perry Paolantonio Share Posted December 12, 2018 Or just shoot reversal and light it old-school: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vint-1950s-Mayfair-Flexmaster-8mm-Home-Movie-Camera-Light-Steam-Punk-Industrial-/112615069059 Just make sure everyone in your family has sunglasses on. My dad used to have something like this, and our Christmas home movies consist mostly of us shielding our eyes from the blinding light. But that old kodachrome was exposed nicely! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Carter Share Posted December 12, 2018 Tri-X 16mm worked self processed using only household lights all on. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MeWFzi2Md7Y&t=0s&index=9&list=PLU2eKg3uAYHj1_SmPcoMNjVerjqCCubS6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elie Harriett Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 Or just shoot reversal and light it old-school: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vint-1950s-Mayfair-Flexmaster-8mm-Home-Movie-Camera-Light-Steam-Punk-Industrial-/112615069059 Just make sure everyone in your family has sunglasses on. My dad used to have something like this, and our Christmas home movies consist mostly of us shielding our eyes from the blinding light. But that old kodachrome was exposed nicely! I was thinking of that, but the only color reversal I found was 100 iso. Not bright enough in there, unfortunately. I do like the idea of a portable light setup though. It is both impractical and will make me look ridiculous. I am quite tempted to go that way Tri-X 16mm worked self processed using only household lights all on. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MeWFzi2Md7Y&t=0s&index=9&list=PLU2eKg3uAYHj1_SmPcoMNjVerjqCCubS6 I’m seriously considering trying b&w: cheaper and more flexible for low light. But I was really hoping to capture that old 70’s-80’s color home movie vibe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Carter Share Posted December 13, 2018 Well, don't point the lights in people's faces, rather, bounce the light off the ceiling or off a wall. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Perry Paolantonio Share Posted December 13, 2018 I was thinking of that, but the only color reversal I found was 100 iso. Not bright enough in there, unfortunately. I do like the idea of a portable light setup though. It is both impractical and will make me look ridiculous. I am quite tempted to go that way With one of these rigs, you can shoot slower film than that and get a decent image. But you have to point the light right at people and they will likely hate you for it. We transfer a fair number of home movies and believe me, I've seen plenty of Kodachrome II (ISO 40 with a flood light) that's perfectly exposed if the light is close enough to the subject. I'm not really saying you should do this - but it does work. B/W is a bit easier to expose but you're probably still going to need to turn on most of the lights in the room, at minimum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aaron Razi Share Posted December 13, 2018 Could you shoot some Ektachrome 100D as is (with 1.8 f-stop) and opt for a push when you develop? It might not work THAT well, but it's better than nothing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tyler Purcell Sustaining Member Share Posted December 13, 2018 You could just buy some old stock Ektachrome 160 from ebay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kodak-Super-8-Film-Ektachrome-K160-85-Boxes-KodachromeK-40-90-Boxes-PRICE-PERBOX/163424578185?hash=item260cdd2a89:g:6goAAOSww3tY4Tgx:rk:1:pf:0 Pro 8mm use to process reversal, I'd shoot them a call and see if they still do. If not, a bunch of labs will be coming online soon for the Ektachrome roll out. I know Spectra is one of the labs who have a machine setup. Sure, the old stock will be pretty grainy, but 160 with a key light of some kind, has worked well. Just can't do it in a dark dark room. Gotta have some daylight to help. Just gel whatever tungsten balanced key light you use with a 1/4 CTB and it will be fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elie Harriett Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 You could just buy some old stock Ektachrome 160 from ebay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kodak-Super-8-Film-Ektachrome-K160-85-Boxes-KodachromeK-40-90-Boxes-PRICE-PERBOX/163424578185?hash=item260cdd2a89:g:6goAAOSww3tY4Tgx:rk:1:pf:0 Pro 8mm use to process reversal, I'd shoot them a call and see if they still do. If not, a bunch of labs will be coming online soon for the Ektachrome roll out. I know Spectra is one of the labs who have a machine setup. Sure, the old stock will be pretty grainy, but 160 with a key light of some kind, has worked well. Just can't do it in a dark dark room. Gotta have some daylight to help. Just gel whatever tungsten balanced key light you use with a 1/4 CTB and it will be fine. Oh ... WOW! That actually looks like a potential winner. He says he's stored the film in the "Fridge" since the 70's-90's. Not frozen. Any experience with how well that would last if shot today? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tyler Purcell Sustaining Member Share Posted December 13, 2018 It'll be way out of spec, but it may not be horrible. It'll be noisy! But what home movies aren't? lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elie Harriett Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 I really kind of like that idea. And certainly cheap enough! Could get 8 and fill a 400' reel. Or maybe just 4 and fill a 200' one. My old home movies are all on the 400' reels, though, so it is tempting :rolleyes: 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Dunn Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) Ektachrome 160 isn't E6 process. Kodak stopped processing it long before they stopped Kodachrome. Rocky Mountain claim to process it now but it takes them a year to get enough together for a processing run. The film on ebay is at least 25 years old. I wouldn't chance $60/roll on it. Martin Baumgarten may also be able to process it. He's a contributor here. Edited December 14, 2018 by Mark Dunn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elie Harriett Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 Ektachrome 160 isn't E6 process. Kodak stopped processing it long before they stopped Kodachrome. Rocky Mountain claim to process it now but it takes them a year to get enough together for a processing run. The film on ebay is at least 25 years old. I wouldn't chance $60/roll on it. Martin Baumgarten may also be able to process it. He's a contributor here. Wait a minute! This can't be processed in E-6? Not even cross-processed in some of the available versions? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tyler Purcell Sustaining Member Share Posted December 14, 2018 Well it's true that ES-8 is the processing type for Ektachrome 160. I personally don't think it would be a problem to process it in an E-6 machine. With that said, there are numerous labs which can still process that film no problem. https://www.filmrescue.com and http://www.digitalvideolab.ca/ and http://www.pro8mm.com They do small batches, so what you do is call them up and schedule the time as they do a batch every 8 - 10 weeks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Salim Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) Ektachrome 160 Type G is process EM-26 and is not compatible with process E-6. If memory serves, it'll come out clear if run through E-6. 1, Film Rescue International is your best bet - they're real experts. 2, Avoid Rocky Mountain Film Lab ..... they have a terrible reputation ( just google it ! ) John S :rolleyes: Edited December 14, 2018 by John Salim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robert Houllahan Sustaining Member Share Posted December 15, 2018 Ektachrome 160 Type-G can only really be run as a B&W process now, that is what Film Rescue does. Had a friend shoot a roll recently and we sent it to Film Rescue and it came back as B&W and looked great actually. No Color though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andries Molenaar Share Posted December 23, 2018 (edited) Ektachrome 160 Type G is process EM-26 and is not compatible with process E-6. If memory serves, it'll come out clear if run through E-6. 1, Film Rescue International is your best bet - they're real experts. 2, Avoid Rocky Mountain Film Lab ..... they have a terrible reputation ( just google it ! ) John S :rolleyes: EM-26 film (the late version Ektachromes 160 in super-8) is best suitable for E-6 , it produces usually very nice images. The only trouble is getting the black backing off. When it comes out transparent something else went wrong. Edited December 23, 2018 by Andries Molenaar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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