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Ektachrome D100 with Canon 310XL, Bolex 350

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Has anybody used the new Ektachrome D100 with either the Canon 310XL or Bolex 350. I would like to to casually carry about one of these almost pocketable plastic cameras but with a cassette of Ektachrome at $50 a pop I want to be sure of what kind of results I can expect before venturing forwar. I read on one list of useable/unuseable cameras that D100 is unsuitable with these cameras, but I learned long ago to be skeptical of lists.

Shot a roll with Nizo Professional and results were very good, even hand held. A Beaulieu will be my next try. Nonetheless, I am fond the these little Canon and Bolex plastic babies.

I would appreciate any advice or comments.

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I mean super 8 is super 8. It's not like one cartridge will or won't work in a certain camera.

 

Also the Ektachrome cartridges are all sold out, so IDK where you'd find one at this juncture.

 

I personally don't like the plastic bolex cameras, they're poorly made.

 

The 4008 Beaulieu works great. It has a real reflex viewfinder with a mirror shutter, usually comes with a great lens and has a pretty nice gate for a more stable image too. It's not horribly expensive and has a great deal of support available.

 

The cheap cameras are just kinda garbage. Even my old Yashica 600 is getting long in the tooth these days and it's built like a tank. I just prefer the Beaulieu by a fair margin.

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No, Tyler, Super8 is not just Super8 that will work in all cameras. As for my question, I was thinking of using a ND filter but decided this will not work. I can just forget these cameras for D100.

 

I don't know where you get the idea that all Super8 Ektachrome is all sold out. For a brief period in December but available now. Besides, I already have a nice supply.

 

The little Bolex has a nice lens. Same with Canon 310XL. They were never meant to compete or replace a regular sized camera.

 

You are misinformed with regard to the finder and shutter systems of the Beaulieu. The relex system is a mirror, but the shutter is of the guillotine type...the only Super8 that I know of that has this kind of shutter. The replex system of the Beaulieu allows any C mount lens. Other cameras must allow for light absorbed by finder and lens.

Because ASA is set by an external dial, it is not determined by detecting notches in cassette, like almost all other cameras. Perhaps that is why you believe that all S8 cameras can use film of any speed. But not all cameras can detect all notches, although the better ones can detect more. Nizo, Leicina, Zeiss Movieflex among others. These and 4008ZM are cameras I am familiar with and use.

For me, nothing beats the ergonomics of the Nizo. Except for the off-on switch. I prefer the Beaulieu and Zeiss approach.

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No, Tyler, Super8 is not just Super8 that will work in all cameras.

I've been shooting super 8 for over 30 years. I've shot with dozens of different cameras, Kodachrome, Ektachrome, Agfachrome, Tri-8, and negative stocks. I physically own 12 working super 8 cameras including the bolex and 4008 and shoot with them on a regular basis for music videos. Never had a single issue with stocks.

 

I don't know where you get the idea that all Super8 Ektachrome is all sold out. For a brief period in December but available now. Besides, I already have a nice supply.

I order film from Kodak twice a week, nearly every week and she's told me they don't have any. She did say they were getting new shipments soon, but since that first batch was all gone, there hasn't been a single roll. So wherever you're getting it from, Kodak has no information on how to direct it's customers to that place.

 

You are misinformed with regard to the finder and shutter systems of the Beaulieu. The relex system is a mirror, but the shutter is of the guillotine type...the only Super8 that I know of that has this kind of shutter. The replex system of the Beaulieu allows any C mount lens. Other cameras must allow for light absorbed by finder and lens.

Not misinformed, I've been using the 4008 for years. It has a mirror reflex which means the viewfinder is extremely bright and there is no loss of light from a beam splitter making it a far superior camera.

 

 

Perhaps that is why you believe that all S8 cameras can use film of any speed. But not all cameras can detect all notches, although the better ones can detect more. Nizo, Leicina, Zeiss Movieflex among others. These and 4008ZM are cameras I am familiar with and use.

Where it's true the 500T and 250D negative stocks should be used with a "notchless" camera if you want a perfect exposure, we've shot with them in my Yashica and Elmo cameras, with great results. Nearly all of the cameras have the ability to automatically read 25, 50, 100 and 160 stocks because that's what Kodak made during the time of those cameras. So yea 50D, 200T, and the new 100D stock should work fine with ANY of the notched cameras.

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Well back to the situation at hand, I've shot both the new and old Ektachrome in my Canon 514XL which is similar to the 310XL and gotten great results. IMO, the new stock is a little less sensitive and would benefit from being shot at 80ASA but not a huge difference. Didn't have any issues with overexposure with an XL lens. The stock handles it ok. I shot the older E100D in my 514XL on the beach and was totally ok.

 

Attached a couple stills below from the 2K flat scan without any contrast added back in. In projection it's a bit brighter and more saturated.

 

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Nick, Thanks for the imput. I'll give it a try.

 

Tyler, You are correct about availability of 100D. I no longer buy directly from Kodak since I no longer get a discount and I don't need the "rush" service, I buy from various retail outlets. If one seller doesn't have it, another probably will...along with free shipping.

Not that it means anything, but I have been shooting S8 since 1971. Back then there were many cheap cameras with meters programed solely for Kodachrome, and only Kodachrome. Nizos, Beaulieus and Leicinas were very expensive. If my memory is correct, about that time my Nizo cost about $400 at Olden Camera in NYC. A Zeiss Ikon Movieflex cost almost as much as a VW bug.

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