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Arri 16SR - Use daylight reels directly or re-spool onto cores?

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I will be getting a few 100ft 16mm daylight reels to shoot in an Arri 16SR.

Now I am wondering if it would make sense to re-spool them onto cores or if I'd rather use the daylight reels directly.

If I wanted to use cores, I'd have to spool the 100ft onto another reel, then re-pool that reel onto a core inside a split reel, am I right?

The downside I see here is that I'd spool the entire 100ft twice and may introduce dust or even worse some scratches.

From what I have read so far, using the daylight reels directly just leads to a louder camera, does anyone know of any other real issues that may arise?

Besides that I was told by the owner of the camera (I will borrow it for two days) that the daylight reels cannot fit in the magazines.

How could that be true? Isn't every Arri 16SR able to use them, as soon as you remove the core adapter you will then see a normal square thingy, similar to what Krasnogorsk, Bolex and the likes have, which fits the square hole of the daylight reels, right?

What would you propose? Thanks!

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No you can use them directly! did that many many times and the SR1/2 & 3 mags are wide enough and designed to fit them as well! Just need to put out the cores.

Yes it will be maybe a bit louder and you can´t use the Meter/Feet scala on the back of the Mags, but they don´t destroy or scratch anything in the Mags so don´t worry.

Cheers!

 

 

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Thanks, so I will use the daylight spool on the feed side and the collapsible core on the take up side.

Do you agree that re-spooling the films onto cores may be a risk with regards to dust and that I am better off just not having the footage counter but a clean stock right out of the factory?

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I don´t think that you´ll have any issue with that if the core is clean.

But if you´ve a filmcan with bag and a plastic 2" filmcore/bobby you can use the collapsidle core and put the core in the middle later after unloading. I would prefer to use a empty daylight spool and put it back in the 100ft box. Much better handling for the lab. I never had dust issues that way, as long as your gate is clean and you have a clean mag… And i used it in really rough terrain…

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So you mean that also on take-up side you'd use a daylight reel and put the exposed reel in the end back in the black box for shipping to the lab?

So not to use any cores at all on either side of the magazine?

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A 100' daylight load run onto a core will not fit in the box because the centre of the  daylight spool is smaller than a core. So using daylight spools both sides will save you a lot of bother. It will be rather noisy, though, probably too noisy for sync sound.

In any case, the plastic box on its own isn't sufficiently lightproof to protect the film. You would need a lightproof bag and a larger can.

 

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4 minutes ago, Mark Dunn said:

In any case, the plastic box on its own isn't sufficiently lightproof to protect the film. You would need a lightproof bag and a larger can.

But wouldn't the fact that the exposed stock is on the daylight reel again help a bit to protect it against some light? Or not really much, as it won't be wound very tightly?

I should get the fresh stock in the black bags anyhow, so I planned to put it back in there, then in the black plastic boxes and then several such boxes in a bigger 35mm can that I tape. That should do, right?

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1 minute ago, Bernhard Kipperer said:

But wouldn't the fact that the exposed stock is on the daylight reel again help a bit to protect it against some light? Or not really much, as it won't be wound very tightly?

I should get the fresh stock in the black bags anyhow, so I planned to put it back in there, then in the black plastic boxes and then several such boxes in a bigger 35mm can that I tape. That should do, right?

I said "on its own". The daylight spool provides the extra protection. It shouldn't be loose if the takeup works correctly- just put the paper band back on the exposed film.

A film on a spool in the box is quite safe. You don't need to bag them and put them in another can as well. Daylight spools just come in the box, they're not bagged. Only film on cores is bagged.

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1 hour ago, Bernhard Kipperer said:

But wouldn't the fact that the exposed stock is on the daylight reel again help a bit to protect it against some light? Or not really much, as it won't be wound very tightly?

exactly when you use a daylight spool on the take-up side its protected by the spool and lightsafe when packed back in the black plastic box. And as Mark said  - without the daylight spool its not light protected enough and you should use a lightproofbag & filmcan. So go for daylight to daylight spool.

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13 minutes ago, Philip Reinhold said:

Bernhard you should get this book: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001U89JXU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_d_asin_title_o06?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Also you´ll find many other Infos for your "cineassist" Project in there. 😉

There is also a german one by my friend m.uhlig: https://www.amazon.de/Manual-für-Clapperloader-Matthias-Uhlig/dp/3980753301

Hehe, thanks for that, looks like I should really get that one 😉

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