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44 minutes ago, Uli Meyer said:

The WHO alerted all governments about the possibility of an epidemic in mid January. Nobody acted. It is of course a difficult decision to make because if you act early and nobody dies, people would question if there even was a threat. If you wait you are risking lives and people will ask why you didn’t act sooner.  You can’t really win. It doesn’t help that Trump dismantled the White House pandemic department. 

That's a hard call for anyone to make, had this looked like the SARS 1 outbreak I would understand not taking it as seriously as we are now, which it kind of did until Italy 

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7 minutes ago, Dylan Gill said:

That's a hard call for anyone to make, had this looked like the SARS 1 outbreak I would understand not taking it as seriously as we are now, which it kind of did until Italy 

What all governments could have done is to start getting medical equipment ready just in case. We knew what was happening in China.

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Most hysterical thing I read today was the the Las Vegas casinos are lining up for government bail out money!!

Finally the mafia has figured out how they can legally access government funds!

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47 minutes ago, Richard Boddington said:

Most hysterical thing I read today was the the Las Vegas casinos are lining up for government bail out money!!

They should've known the casino business was a ....gamble

Thank you, Richard, I'll be available for punch-up on Against The Wild 4 and Dogfather Part 2

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7 hours ago, Dylan Gill said:

Who said I wouldn't self isolate if I were ill? I would probably err on the side of caution an not leave my house for a month if I contracted it.

You wouldn't know you had it until you had already infected other people.

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12 to 18 months is an unreasonable wait time though.

I tend to agree, although people do unreasonable things all the time. If this had to be kept up for that long, it would change society significantly.

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There's no reason why we wouldn't develop immune response to this virus.

That's a big claim. We don't develop an immune response (more accurately, we don't develop long-lived antibodies) to the common cold.

Just to put this in perspective, there is nothing formally stopping this disease, or a disease like it, from wiping out every last living human. I doubt this one will, but let's not say "there's no reason we wouldn't develop an immune response." There's lots and lots of reasons why we might not.

 

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I'm with Trump on this one....if the cure is worse than the disease, what was the point?  A 20% unemployment rate will be far more devastating than the COVID-19 outbreak, and lead to a whole host of new problems.  Civil unrest due to people not being able to eat being chief among them.  Keep the ban on large indoor gatherings, keep the ban on entering seniors homes, but let the local auto shop employing 8 people open and run.

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7 minutes ago, Phil Rhodes said:

Just to put this in perspective, there is nothing formally stopping this disease, or a disease like it, from wiping out every last living human.

But Phil, we will never eradicate all germs and viruses from the planet. Every year people will die from disease transmission, we will never stop that.

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43 minutes ago, Phil Rhodes said:

You wouldn't know you had it until you had already infected other people.

Good point

45 minutes ago, Phil Rhodes said:

There's lots and lots of reasons why we might not.

I'm going to need a source on this. I just asked both parents and they said of course there will be an immune response/short lived immunity. That's all you will need for herd immunity 

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No "but" required. What you say is absolutely true. The only reason this society exists in its current form is luck.

I would like to see us take measures to reduce the amount of luck required to avoid a recurrence of this situation. This may mean somebody having a quiet word with the Chinese government at some point about their attitude to health and safety, giving what they have caused.

 

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1 minute ago, Phil Rhodes said:

This may mean somebody having a quiet word with the Chinese government at some point about their attitude to health and safety, giving what they have caused.

 

Ah Ah Ah, nooooo, R-word Phil....R-word.

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1 hour ago, Richard Boddington said:

I'm with Trump on this one....if the cure is worse than the disease, what was the point?  A 20% unemployment rate will be far more devastating than the COVID-19 outbreak, and lead to a whole host of new problems.  Civil unrest due to people not being able to eat being chief among them.  Keep the ban on large indoor gatherings, keep the ban on entering seniors homes, but let the local auto shop employing 8 people open and run.

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Yeah, if this goes on much longer there will definitely be some bad effects. My day job is a temporary position. The hiring cycle starting this summer was going to be my third and probably last shot at getting a permanent job.  I can't imagine there will be many positions available after this. That'll be a shame, I've really enjoyed the flexibility I've had to work on other things like film (I'd always hoped I could move more towards this at some point).

That's a good point about unrest, especially when people won't be able to eat, and it's not just the unemployment aspect of it. The last 4 times I've been to a grocery store, there was absolutely no meat there. Right now it's more of a demand issue, probably some hoarding, but people are also spending more time at home. Instead of being at the office and going somewhere to eat, they work, and eat, at home. Their kids are at home eating lunch there instead of at school. Many restaurants are closed, and people aren't eating out as much as they generally do. So for a variety of reasons, people are buying more food for at home consumption than they normally would. What's going to happen if there are any supply side issues to compound this? If production at food processing plants starts to decrease because their workers start getting sick, it could get ugly.

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If ya'll want an example of just how sick the part of the world I live in is.  At 12:00 tomorrow all non essential businesses are ordered closed.  This means the local salon and auto shop will be closed, throwing those people out of work.

Meanwhile, liquor and beer stores have been deemed "essential" and will stay open.  That makes my stomach turn.  Perhaps the province of Ontario deserves to go down the sh*tter!!!

I won't at all be surprised if the Pot Head PM of Canada, also announces that all marijuana stores stay open as well.  That way Canadians will simply be too stoned to notice that they are unemployed and living on the streets.

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This is just getting daft. It will end up coming soon to a political stoush. You just watch.

One half of the world wants to suspend capitalism and bring in temporary socialism. Ha! I mean, ... HA!! Yeah, guys, that's really going to work. I'm sorry, we're going back to work soon. Trump ... just watch what he does soon.

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Every country has it's own approach to this, but I suspect holding onto some ideological ideas will limit  an effective response.  It's a balancing act of keeping the deaths down, while ensuring that all sectors don't suffer soo much pain that they can't recover. 

Unfortunately,  the self employed and gig economy workers seem to be the ones who are currently seeming to fall between the two stools. 

I can see why the hair salons are closed,  I had my hair cut last week and it's easy to see why they could be centres of infection. So far, the UK construction industry seems to be working, although concerns have been expressed  about everyone packing into a hut to eat their lunch.

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When Trump says go back to work it won't be his fault what happens next, whatever that is. Society must get back to normal or it goes down.

People hiding in their homes, all over the world! It's not going to last. Ruin the world because of a disease that won't ruin the world? Trump will lead on this soon.

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52 minutes ago, Jon O'Brien said:

When Trump says go back to work it won't be his fault what happens next, whatever that is. Society must get back to normal or it goes down.

People hiding in their homes, all over the world! It's not going to last. Ruin the world because of a disease that won't ruin the world? Trump will lead on this soon.

Trump is a fool. Nobody is "hiding". Nobody wants this. People are trying to prevent unnecessary deaths. Again, show some courage ffs.

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2 hours ago, Uli Meyer said:

Trump is a fool. Nobody is "hiding". Nobody wants this. People are trying to prevent unnecessary deaths. Again, show some courage ffs.

Do give every point a chance. The idea is we can’t all courageously hide away. We need to keep the world moving, in our world everything relies on something it can not simply halt. The world must continue. In Australia currently one million people are expected to be relying on government packages. These packages aren’t coming through until April the 27th however today they decided to pretty much close all non-essential businesses and gatherings. Our shoot included of course however in the grand scheme of things that’s nothing. 

Currently we have 8 deaths. Now we are definetly being preemptive, but at what stage is it going too far? I’m probably not seeing the bigger picture but one million people relying on money that is more than a month away for something that hasn’t seem to hit us yet. People lining up in front of Centrelink (our public service centres) like something you see in movies from the days of serious communism in Europe. People are oddly desperate, the first world Australian kind of desperate yet still desperate in their own way. 

The majority of deaths are from the elderly aged 70 and over, one 86 and I believe even one 90+ year old woman. We are being preemptive yet possible a slight over reaction has occurred. 

Just my opinion and I’m following all the rules. I have an opinion yet I do still follow the experts advice as I like the majority of us are mostly artists and are rather uneducated on the topic of a pandemic or healthcare in general. 

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32 minutes ago, Gabriel Devereux said:

We need to keep the world moving, in our world everything relies on something it can not simply halt.

The world is still moving. Just because it isn't moving the way you are used to, doesn't mean it isn't.

 

32 minutes ago, Gabriel Devereux said:

We are being preemptive yet possible a slight over reaction has occurred. 

I'm afraid that a lot of people will use lower death rates as an argument that the drastic measurements weren't necessary instead of recognizing that this is what helped keep them low.

32 minutes ago, Gabriel Devereux said:

The majority of deaths are from the elderly aged 70 and over, one 86 and I believe even one 90+ year old woman.

Yesterday a 13 year old girl died. What do you think her parents would say?

I think we can all agree that you can recover from economic hardship. You can't recover from death.

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The reason this isn't simple is that economic hardship also causes deaths.

I'm not talking up the Trump position - heaven forfend - and what's being done right now is probably appropriate right now, but a medium-term reaction to this should not be based solely on short-term preservation of life. Watching people dying in hospital corridors is horrifying. Knowing that they have died more privately, over years, is less horrifying.

But it's still deaths.

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I just read yesterday people are reporting a temporary reduction in taste and smell from Covid19.  Reminds me of this great film Perfect Sense.  The trailers are kinda meh.  The movie is definitely worth watching.

 

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1 hour ago, Uli Meyer said:

The world is still moving. Just because it isn't moving the way you are used to, doesn't mean it isn't.

 

I'm afraid that a lot of people will use lower death rates as an argument that the drastic measurements weren't necessary instead of recognizing that this is what helped keep them low.

Yesterday a 13 year old girl died. What do you think her parents would say?

I think we can all agree that you can recover from economic hardship. You can't recover from death.

Yes it’s definitely moving, but you completely neglected the fact one million people are relying on government package from this in Australia! That’s 1/27th of the population. It has apparently ‘only just begun’ our methods are not sustainable long term and even already they are questionable. 

People die from economic hardship. A fair amount of people already die from economic hardship. Figures that in a weird saddening way make the Covid deaths look meaningless. 9 million people starve each year and a fair amount children. I don’t want to point out the obvious but if they had money... they’d buy food. So ya get where I’m coming from here.

A 13 year old girl died from Corona yesterday, that is indeed saddening but I don’t see your point? Yesterday I imagine many 13 year old girls globally died from the sex trade. From starvation, fighting, drugs etc, notice how I’ve only stated what would be easily preventable deaths. So I do agree with you especially on how what we’ve done has dropped the amount of deaths. Your definetly right about that. What I’m saying is that economic hardship is fatal. Also the whole ‘13 year old girl dying thing’ is just looking for fear. 

I personally don’t think I should be discussing this topic with you. I’m mostly focused on how this will effect the industry we work in. Call me narrow minded but I think that’s what this thread is about, not about are thoughts on how the global crisis is killing children. I can’t help that child yet I can help mine by getting back to work.

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