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"The cinematographer of Knives Out wants to end the film-vs.-digital debate”

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Justin, my bad haha. It is more of a math problem and a science project - cinematography is. It is a shame. Being a cinematographer was a respectable position where a lot testing etc was involved. To achieve a look, people resort to LUTS and other digital tricks to turn, otherwise flat and uninteresting photography, into a "masterpiece." It just doesn't sit right with me. For example, my workflow is to get a low con print and scan the print because I do not want any flexibility in post and also to preserve a traditional film look that was normal in the 90's and early 2000's. 

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They did. Fotokem processes it in their soup for the effect - assuming ECN is involved along with printing a tad lighter. It works wonderfully to be honest. One light prints to gray chart is what I need 99 percent of the time as I achieve everything that I can in camera without any digital tricks.

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18 hours ago, Stephen Perera said:

The Eddy - laughable at how ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT episodes 1 an 2 look to the rest of the episodes......like night and day....and in my opinion....how 'amateur' the other episodes look in comparison

Not add to the debate but I find that film USUALLY, most of the time, adds so much production value. I always cringe when certain TV series switch from film to digital, the difference is glaring and it just immediately looks cheaper. 

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14 hours ago, Justin Hayward said:

I didn’t say some of them get crappy images... Grieg Fraser did.😊 It’s funny though, I’m old enough to remember a time when I was afraid to shoot video. Film was easy. As long as you have the right ASA in your light meter, the rest was just taste. Then these big fat HD cameras came along with all their stupid menus and settings... made my brain hurt.😄

Yes you could say film is for beginners ,and as such the young folk are embracing it .. But as they move up and gain knowledge and  confidence .. like Roger Deakins and John Lindley (the best Team Deakins pod cast so far)..  they can then  move safely over to Digital ,at the peak of their careers .. I did this too of course .. and Im waiting for Rogers call... 

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15 hours ago, Mark Kenfield said:

Huh? Which version of their podcast have you been listening to? 🤔 A different one than me I guess. 
 

Their episode with Bev Wood they did basically nothing other than wax lyrical on film and its process. Indeed that episode is one of the most in-depth discussions of the analog process that I’ve ever heard anywhere. 
 

The only thing I’ve heard them steer away from is the “Film vs. Digital” debate, which they seem pretty sick of talking about. 
 

They’ve also made it pretty clear that their hesitancy around shooting film these days, relates to serious problems they’ve had with some of the processing on their more recent film jobs. And not with shooting film itself. 
 

 

Roger seems to say (if I remember correctly) that he actually rarely had issues with processing actually. 

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3 minutes ago, Manu Delpech said:

Roger seems to say (if I remember correctly) that he actually rarely had issues with processing actually. 

I agree...anyway, all I'm saying is if the superstars people try and emulate and look up to care about their industry and not just corporate sponsorship pay-checks then they should support and promote film as well as their beloved new digital cameras so that nobody's like me don't get stuck with having to shoot motion with DSLRs in the future.......there's another big fish that's Sony this and Sony that....well as far as Im concerned, as a cinema lover your 'magic hour in every scene in every film' just looks so fake with your digital Sony.....is my opinion....hahaha sorry but its true......

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9 minutes ago, Stephen Perera said:

I agree...anyway, all I'm saying is if the superstars people try and emulate and look up to care about their industry and not just corporate sponsorship pay-checks then they should support and promote film as well as their beloved new digital cameras so that nobody's like me don't get stuck with having to shoot motion with DSLRs in the future.......there's another big fish that's Sony this and Sony that....well as far as Im concerned, as a cinema lover your 'magic hour in every scene in every film' just looks so fake with your digital Sony.....is my opinion....hahaha sorry but its true......

So you are publicly saying that Roger Deakins is getting paid by Arri, to sing the praises of Arri cameras .. rather than it being his own personal preference to shoot Arri digitally .. I would very much doubt that ..he might sue you 🙂  your whole premise is sort of odd...  film is dying because the big dogs are all on payola ...  wow thats clutching at straws ..

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1 minute ago, Robin R Probyn said:

So you are publicly saying that Roger Deakins is getting paid by Arri, to sing the praises of Arri cameras .. rather than it being his own personal preference to shoot Arri digitally .. I would very much doubt that ..he might sue you 🙂  your whole premise is sort of odd...  film is dying because the big dogs are all on payola ...  wow thats clutching at straws ..

hahaha who the f••k am I in the big picture hahahah come on.....who gives a s**t what I think or say......and have I directly said what you say I said? hahaha this is ridiculous now.....

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@Giray Izcan I'm surprised by you saying most folks want to shoot digital? I so often read about this or that film where the DP and director had planned to shoot film and a producer shot it down or whatnot and there are so many big time DPs who are very clear that they prefer film by far. Several big time advocates (though they are open to digital of course and know they can do great work digitally as well) are Prieto, Sandgren, Van Hoytema, Kaminski, Elswit, Mindel, and more. 

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Quite a few DPs I talk to usually say that they would love to shoot on film but they rarely get the chance. The other day I talked to a guy who works in commercials and he said for a lot of clients the buzz word is "resolution" and they would never ever consider analog film. Then there are those guys working in corporate or documentary who absolutely hate the idea of film simply because it would make their job much more difficult. So much so that I had one person get seriously angry when I mentioned analog film. True story.

This was not Robin, by the way. Although he is usually the first one to predict the death of film every time this subject comes up on this forum. Without fail 😉

As long as film manufacturers can make a profit, there will be film available. It's that simple.

 

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10 minutes ago, Uli Meyer said:

Quite a few DPs I talk to usually say that they would love to shoot on film but they rarely get the chance. The other day I talked to a guy who works in commercials and he said for a lot of clients the buzz word is "resolution" and they would never ever consider analog film. Then there are those guys working in corporate or documentary who absolutely hate the idea of film simply because it would make their job much more difficult. So much so that I had one person get seriously angry when I mentioned analog film. True story.

This was not Robin, by the way. Although he is usually the first one to predict the death of film every time this subject comes up on this forum. Without fail 😉

As long as film manufacturers can make a profit, there will be film available. It's that simple.

 

haha yes at least Im consistent .. but what you said is absolutely what I would agree with .. always said so .. as long as it makes money anything will survive ..  I have only ever put forward my opinion that unfortunately those days are numbered for film .. my "constant " gripe, is the notion that film is intrinsically a superior format to the point where its the most important ingredient ,it that wild mix that makes a great film.. which of course it isn't ..  I mean , I turned down being a guest on Rogers pod cast to avoid the all the down arrows I would get on my posts ..  ..

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"The days have been numbered for film" since 2012. I remember, and it's always funny to watch interviews from back then of directors or DPs saying the same thing (though they loved film already back then), and it's more alive than ever. And thank god it is. 

 

Then again, I'm never sure when Robin is being serious, if ever. 

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