A.Oliver Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 Hi, apart from the one stop difference, which is the better stock for daylight work, there will be no additional lighting. Plan to shoot in December in the uk. I am use to kodachrome stock, but i must plan for grubby light on the day. Which is the sharper of the two stocks, any other stock recommendations will be greatly received. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Dimitrios Koukas Posted October 2, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted October 2, 2005 Hi, apart from the one stop difference, which is the better stock for daylight work, there will be no additional lighting. Plan to shoot in December in the uk. I am use to kodachrome stock, but i must plan for grubby light on the day. Which is the sharper of the two stocks, any other stock recommendations will be greatly received. Andy I would suggest 250D, unless you want the corrected daylight to tungsten look.7205 is a 200ASA tungsten film. I have the feelling that the difference in grain would be unnoticeable.But the 7205 corrected for daylight (as u said) is one stop down, so it will limit your daytime in a way. Dimitrios Koukas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph White Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 actually 7205 is vision2 250D, its 7217 thats vision2 tooT. i've had great results with the 05, great latitude - will definitely save you on those murky days. you'll have to drop in a good amount of nd during the day depending on what your desired stop is, but i shot 5205 up in mammoth mountain, california in bright sunlight with snow everywhere and it held everything (even with really contrasty clairmont anamorphics). i think its a vast improvement over the 72/5246 - which was a nice stock to begin with. if you want a super fine grain nice daylight stock, i'd say shoot 7212 and 85 it. you'll need more light obviously as you'll be rating at 64 asa, but on the days you can get away with it, it looks fantastic. shot 5212 pulled one stop on a bunch of day exteriors with hawk anamorphic primes and it just looked gorgeous. anyhow, happy shooting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Stephen Williams Posted October 2, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted October 2, 2005 I would suggest 250D, unless you want the corrected daylight to tungsten look.7205 is a 200ASA tungsten film.I have the feelling that the difference in grain would be unnoticeable.But the 7205 corrected for daylight (as u said) is one stop down, so it will limit your daytime in a way. Dimitrios Koukas Dimitrios, Your getting confused 7205 is 250D. 7217 is 200T or 125 with 85 filter. Question for K25rip is what stop do you intend to shoot at? I know its not that sunny in the UK but at 125 asa thats T22 in direct sunlight. Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Dimitrios Koukas Posted October 2, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted October 2, 2005 Dimitrios, Your getting confused 7205 is 250D. 7217 is 200T or 125 with 85 filter. Question for K25rip is what stop do you intend to shoot at? I know its not that sunny in the UK but at 125 asa thats T22 in direct sunlight. Stephen Excactly and thanks! Sorry k25rip, just switch the films that I was writing about the rest counts! I ve had the same problem with vision 7279 and vision 7297 manytimes! Dimitrios Koukas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.Oliver Posted October 2, 2005 Author Share Posted October 2, 2005 Thanks for the replies, if i am lucky enough and the sun shines will shoot either 50D, or ( vision2 50D if its available ) or 125T. I dont mind what stop i shoot at, will be looking for an exposure reading from T2-T8. Footage will be newsreel/run and gun, so not much time to think. Can i use an 85 filter and ND filter together?. Sorry for a stupid question, as i already mentioned, i 98% of the time shoot kodachrome. Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Stephen Williams Posted October 2, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted October 2, 2005 Thanks for the replies, if i am lucky enough and the sun shines will shoot either 50D, or ( vision2 50D if its available ) or 125T. I dont mind what stop i shoot at, will be looking for an exposure reading from T2-T8. Footage will be newsreel/run and gun, so not much time to think. Can i use an 85 filter and ND filter together?. Sorry for a stupid question, as i already mentioned, i 98% of the time shoot kodachrome. Thanks again Hi, Yes you can use an 85 and an ND. To make life simple you can get combined filters. If light is low you can us an LLD instead of an 85 with no stop loss. Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Schilling Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 The 250D is beautiful... and a full stop faster than corrected 200T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Andy Sparaco SOC Posted October 4, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted October 4, 2005 Last week, shot a 10 minute "feature" here in chicago . First days shooting was in a park under a tree canopy-lots of open shade bright sun then overcast then bright sun a sunny day with lots of high cumulus . Used 7212 with an 85b added 1/3 stop so the effective exposure was 50 iso The obvious choice 7245 which I luv for Kodachrome like saturation would have been too contrasty. Exposures were 2.8/4/5.6 thru the course of the day @24fps. Later in the day pulled the 85 and went to a LL-D filter shot a grey card for color reference and exposed at 100 iso for a 1 stop pickup Worked fine. Having shot a lot in GB my opinion is that 7205 might be a tad fast and require ND . So 7212 (effective iso 50)or maybe since it will be December -7217(effective iso 100) with an 85 and/or LL-D is a good choice without a lot of ND 7201 from various reports would be ideal as a lower contrast fine grain Daylight stock. But it might not be available yet. If you are renting a camera ask for a 85/85nd3/85nd6/85nd9 fllter set which combine color correction and ND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted October 6, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted October 6, 2005 I answered in your double cross-posting. For daylight, 7205 is definitely a better choice than unfiltered 7217 or 7218 with an 85. Any time you use a color correcting filter, you are "throwing away" light, so you need faster (larger) grains to compensate. For example, a tungsten balance film needs larger blue-sensitive grains than a daylight balance film of the same exposure index. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Andy Sparaco SOC Posted October 6, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted October 6, 2005 John: Clarify for me-will 7205 deliver better grain then 7212/7217 with proper on camera color correction, when shot in daylight? Also is 7245 more contrasty then 7212 with on camera color correction? My experience is 7245 has less grain (and more contrast)but 7212 is sharper- is that accurate? As always thanks for the technical insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted October 6, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted October 6, 2005 John: Clarify for me-will 7205 deliver better grain then 7212/7217 with proper on camera color correction, when shot in daylight? Also is 7245 more contrasty then 7212 with on camera color correction? My experience is 7245 has less grain (and more contrast)but 7212 is sharper- is that accurate? As always thanks for the technical insight. 7205 should be slightly better for grain than 7217 --- as noted, it does not need to have as much blue speed as an equivalent tungsten balance film. 7245 has slightly more contrast and "snap" than the VISION2 films. It is still the finest grain motion picture negative film (at least until 7201 becomes available soon). 7212 would be the choice for best sharpness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.Oliver Posted October 6, 2005 Author Share Posted October 6, 2005 Which will have the greater resolving power 7205 or 7217? BTW, thank you everyone for your replies Andy ps, will 7201 be available by December 1st in the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted October 7, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted October 7, 2005 Which will have the greater resolving power 7205 or 7217?BTW, thank you everyone for your replies Andy ps, will 7201 be available by December 1st in the UK? 7205 and 7217 are very similar for sharpness. You can interpret the MTF curves for yourself: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products...4.4.4.6.4&lc=en http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products...4.4.4.8.4&lc=en Kodak VISION2 50D Color Negative Film 7201 should be available very soon. The "launch" demos are being printed by our lab now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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