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Hi,

 

 

im shooting a lingerie commercial in 3 weeks, the locations are all outside and shooting time will be early morning or afternoon. im looking for a stock that gives me good natural skintones. however i would like the water and greenery (we are shooting at a beach) be very vibrant as well.

since we are shooting on 16mm and the commercial is getting a 35mm blowup for cinema screenings, i would likeas little grain as possible in the 16mm stock.

any recommendations ? so far im thinking of using the Fuji 125t wiht filter, or 250d.

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if you want really vibrant colors and fine grain, i'd say shoot 7245 while you still can (exr 50D). its slow, but if you are on faster primes you'll be good. truly one of the last actually saturated and contrasty stocks out there with terrific fine grain. the 7201 (Vision2 50D) is making the rounds as well, but its definitely less saturated as its designed to intercut with the Vision2 family of films.

 

in general, stay on the slower side of the stocks - 250D in 16mm will probably give you more grain than you'd like. also check out the fuji 64D - less saturated than the 7245 but still has nice skin tones and is very fine grained.

 

hope this helps - happy shooting!

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oh exr50D, interesting, i never thought of that, i have a set of primes which go down to F1.3 so that shouldnt be a problem, especially with all the sun here in australia. i surely will consider that option thank you.

 

Is it for TV or projection?

U can get very nice greens with fuji stocks, so I would suggest the 250 ASA Daylight (I don't remember the type number sry).

This can get you out almost thru the day, and in magic hour.

(If you like to keep your f/stops high, where the lens gives it's best).Also maybe you will need a polarizer filter, that will work ok with the 250.

In a bright sunlight situation, even 50 ASA needs some ND, so u can use some more for the 250.

Dimitrios Koukas

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For lowest grain in a Super-16 blow-up, definitely consider 7245, 7201, or 7212. 7205 is the finest grain film in a higher speed range. 7201 has amazingly low graininess.

 

Any of the VISION2 films can give "vibrant" colors, and can be enhanced further in telecine or scanning (DI). A bit of overexposure will help increase saturation and reduce graininess even more.

 

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products...0.1.4.4.4&lc=en

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The new 7201 50D Vision 2 daylight stock may be a little kinder to the skin tones that EXR 50D. I just saw it projected at Kodak in Hollywood and there was a noticeable improvement (not as ruddy or red/yellow toned) though it is also slightly lower in contrast. I was a little worried when this new film was announced because it probably means the end of EXR50D, my all-time favorite daylight-balanced film, but after looking at the comparison, I have to say that I think the new stock will be a very worthy replacement for the venerable EXR stock.

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Overexposing negative a little (no more than one stop) and PRINTING down will give you richer blacks in the print, which in turn give the feeling of better contrast and saturation. If you are just shooting for telecine transfer only, a little overexposure helps but black level and saturation are really controlled by the color-correction tools to the level you want.

 

Gross overexposure places too much highlight information on the flatter shoulder portion of the characteristic curve and saturation starts to wash out.

 

Now in terms of shooting under saturated, gelled lamps, you want to underexpose in order to retain more color; this is not really underexposing in the sense of getting a thin negative that needs to be printed "up" but exposing the color correctly to retain its intensity, because if you have a strong blue light and expose it so that it is at "key" brightness like you might with a white light, then the colored light would actually be overexposed & washed out compared to the way your eye sees it. In other words, the underexposed colored light is actually the correct exposure to read the color accurately like your eye sees it.

 

Overexposing and pull-processing actually renders colors more pastel and lowers contrast.

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With modern color negative films, as you increase exposure and put the scene information further up the curve, you also tend to get more "interimage" effects from the DIR couplers, which increases color saturation somewhat.

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With modern color negative films, as you increase exposure and put the scene information further up the curve, you also tend to get more "interimage" effects from the DIR couplers, which increases color saturation somewhat.

 

Sure... you just made that up... :D

 

Just recieved my first Vision2 50D, can't wait to test it. I've been so impressed with EXR 50D that I find it hard to imagine a better looking image... but I'll give it shot.

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Stephen:

 

why is that ? you are not happy with the 64D quality ?

 

7245 and 7201 are noticeably lower in graininess.

 

(Whether a film is stocked locally depends on the anticipated demand. If there is consistent use, they usually stock it. If it will sit on the shelf for months, they will ship it in, which takes a week or two.)

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ordered 5 rolls of EXR 50D today, i hope it was a good decision :)

 

john: how much exposure latitude does that stock have ? i still have troubles deciphering the curve, i figured 10 but that might be a bit too high ?

 

All this figures have to do with how you will light your negative.I have done a whole feature film with EXR 7245 and I was able to see all the grey bars on the Kodak's grey chart.

But If you want all this latitude (most of the times u don't) u have to light this way.

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Stephen:

 

why is that ? you are not happy with the 64D quality ?

 

Hi,

 

For many years F64D has been my standard daylight film. In that time other stocks have improved.

I was never such a fan of the original Vision range, I always felt everything had a mild magenta bias. This year I've shoot 5212 with an 85 filter, I was very happy with that.

 

Its all about moving forward as technology changes. Fuji will also replace there older stocks soon.

 

Stephen

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