rcgrabbag

You're right, that was an issue with the Beaulieu. Thanks folks!

Again, this is just from memory, but I seem to recall reading that the shutter speed of the Leicina at 25fps is short enough to reduce the fluidity of motion in certain situations, thereby creating a "strobe" effect for lack of a better term. Is this true? I thought it had been suggested that this effect could be lessened by increasing the shutter angle, thereby in effect, decreasing the shutter speed. But I guess that's not an option with the Leicina.

I seem to recall discussions regarding the strobe effect of the Leicina at 25fps and workarounds for reducing the effect (changing shutter angle?). Can someone point me in the right direction? I've searched for an existing thread, but have been unlucky so far.

Hi,

 

I just bought one of thease camera?s (without a manuel) so I'm a bit in the dark trying to figure out it out. One thing I do need to know: is it possible to manually control the aperture ( like I can do with the 814) or am I a slave to the camera's archaic EE? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

SK

Congrats! I just bought one too. Yes you can manually control the apeture. Here's a link to the manual that you can download:

http://www.apecity.com/manuals/canon_814xl...nd_1014xl-s.pdf

Congrats! I just bought one too. Yes you can manually control the apeture. Here's a link to the manual that you can download:

 

http://www.apecity.com/manuals/canon_814xl...nd_1014xl-s.pdf

Sorry, my bad. Just realized we have different cameras. Sorry!

No, because all that will do is change the F-stop- it will not change the amount of light entering the lens.

 

Bon

I think my neurons aren't firing correctly. I'm not completely clear on operating these new films in these old cameras. Doesn't a change in F-stop change the amount of light entering the lens? I thought using an ND filter and the exposure compensation dial were somewhat interchangeable when using these new films?

Hi, my advice would be, buy 200t direct from kodak, use an ND filter, try not to let the cameras aperature go any wider than F4, best results i found with the 814xls are at f5.6,8,11. Avoid using the cameras variable shutter on the low lite angle. Good Shooting.

Can't you just crank up the exposure compensation dial on the 814 XLS to compensate instead of using a ND filter, or are you metering externally?

Flying horizontally with the camera pointing out the side is also a bad idea for the aforementioned reasons, but also, rockets will spin in flight due to the slightest misalignment of the fins. A rocket pointing a lens out the side flying horizontally will shoot the ground only part of the time.

If you want to build a rocket, get a kit. Its cheap and it has most of the stuff you'll need like the engine mounting hardware, a parachute, fin material, and the nose cone (difficult to make by hand). Many are designed to be payload carriers as well.

If you go the route I took, that is, tearing down an old movie camera, the rocket you fly will have to be the "high power" variety due to the camera's size. Mine was about 4-5ft tall with a 4inch diamter body. There is too much info around high power rocketry to cover here. Check out:

Tripoli Rocketry Association

As for my camera, here are some pics of two I made.

This was the first. There was a lot of metal in it, so I drilled it full of holes to lighten it. The orange triangle piece is a mirror housing I cut off from a toy periscope. Since the camera lens sat pointing up in the payload section, the mirror angled the view horizontally. Another mirror on the outside of the rocket in an aerodynamic shroud angled the view again back towards the ground.

Here's the second camera, mostly plastic construction so I left a lot intact.

Power for both came from a 9v battery. I'll see if I can dig up some pics of the actual rockets I used. They're long gone now (gave them to a budding rocketeer).

I actually have a couple of Cinerocs. One is completely unused, even has the original batteries (check my previous post above yours for links and pics, and a movie clip from a Cineroc).

Here are some Astrocam photos I took too:

RcGrabBag's Astrocam

I can't, they're fused in there from leaking :blink:

Actually, the Estes movie camera rocket was called the Cineroc. I have a couple:

RcGrabBag's Cineroc

The Cineroc carried about 10ft of super 8mm film in a special cartridge.

The Camroc took only one photo per flight (like the astrocam). I have two of those:

RcGrabBag's Camroc

Here's an actual clip from a Cineroc. Its a two stage rocket, so note the booster stage separating in flight:

Cineroc Footage

I've never actually flown the Cineroc, a bit too valuable to risk (they only made them from about 1970 - 75). Instead, I took an old cheapie Bell and Howell fixed focus S8 camera, tore it down to just the bare essentials (lens, motor, cartridge holder) and stuffed it into a rocket's payload section. The lens pointed up, so I had a small mirror in front of it at 45', and then another mirror outside the rocket in an aerodynamic shroud, also set at 45' so they worked like a periscope. The view was the same as the Cineroc's, looking down at the ground during flight.

This is my first post to a super 8 forum. I became curious to see if S8 still had life left, and after googling the past few days, I see it is alive and well. That's cool! The last movie film I shot was almost 17 yrs ago as part of a hobby project. I tore down an old Bell and Howell S8 camera down to the bare essentials and put it what was left of it into the payload section of a model rocket. Great footage as the ground dropped away, spinning ever so slightly.

I'm really happy to see one can still get reversal color and b&w films. Too bad sound is gone. Well, I've been so excited to shoot some film that I've been on the hunt for a movie camera. It seems folks have a pretty good opinion about the Canon 1014 XL-S, so I tracked one down and bought it today. Hasn't arrived yet, but I'm already planning my first shoot. Probably just a test roll, maybe documenting the spring foliage. Its pretty intense now and I figured it might be a good exercise in color.

Any opinions on what film to use? What do you think about my camera choice?