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It's tough when there's no infrastructure. However, you and fellow film makers can achieve a lot by working together, creating your own training schemes and grass roots organisations. This is what they did in Ireland - twenty five years ago there was very little, now there's a small film industry.
Best of luck.
Thanks for your wish for us. Hope someday we will share our gained knowledge with you. Meanwhile can you help me providing a suggestion should I buy a Sony DSR 400PAL or Sony DSR 450 WS. I have the idea regarding the price but no idea with the technical advantage.
Will look for your valuable opinion.
Good luck.
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Sony DSR-450WS
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Hello,Yes, I have just purchased a Sony DSR-450WS and am very happy with it's image quality!! I shoot corporate and broadcast "cut-ins". Can now fill the demand for that 24p look as well as giving them 16:9 if they so desire. My purchase decisions are driven by what my clients want and as of yet HD is not ready for my money. Granted, I feel that this will be the last SD Camera that I will buy but should bridge the gap for a few years until HD is ready for prime time.
Congrats! :D
Can you please tell me what is the major difference with Sony DSR-400PAL of yours one? Price difference is alomost 50% . Your one is 50% premium priced.
I need comments from Sony DSR 400 PAL user also to take my decision to buy one. Whether I should go with 400 or 450.
Thanks for helping me.
Regards.
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I finally got the chance to look at my Sony DSR-450WS next to a Panasonic SDX 900 and DVX 100A. I wanted to make scene files that emulated the colorimetry of the two Panny cameras. I also got a chance to test the P+S Technik Pro 35 lens adaptor and a Zeiss Super Speed prime.
I used matching Fujinon 15X8 lenses on the 450 and 900, a MacBeth color chart, plus chips, resolution and
a fleshtone chart. I put an overlay on a vectorscope to plot the "dots" in order to help match with the matrix
on the 450. This was not a full-on camera comparison, I didn't rate the cameras sensitivity wise or do a
real latitude comparison, as my priority was coming up with some camera emulation scene files.
Here are some general observations:
The 900 and 450 were very clean and quiet SN wise, the 100A was noisy.
The base colorimetry with matrix on of the 450 and 900 are pretty similar, as both cameras are designed to
ITU-709 worldwide colorimetry specs. There is an overall difference between the Sony and the two Panny's,
the Sony being more to the warm/magenta vs. the Panny's with a more blue/green bias.
I put the 900 into Scene 4 Filmlike mode and matched my 450 using the user matrix. I got pretty close,
the 900 has good red saturation and very strong in the cyan spectrum.
The DVX 100A was used in Scene File 5 mode, which is a 24P film like mode. It also had strong red saturation and VERY strong green saturation, more than I could add via the 450 matrix range. It was not as plus cyan as the 900 in Scene 4.
Comparing exterior images between the three cameras of wide shots of homes/cars/foliage, the 450 looked
the sharpest with detail off or on with all cameras having reduced detail for their film modes. This was confirmed with a resolution chart. The 450 had more shadow detail than the 100A with film gamma 1 using black gamma on in mid-high mode, even though the 100A gamma crossover was at 60IRE vs. 55IRE for the 450.
On foliage, the 900 made all the leaves on a hedge one shade of green, whereas the 450 showed tonal
differences, with some leaves being more yellow than others. The 100A, even with its strong green push,
showed more shades of green on the same bush than the 900.
Because the 450 has twice the pixel count of the Panny CCD's, it actually produced more artifacts in 24P mode on fine detail, such as window shutters, car grills, shingles. There was line twitter and moire that
didn't show on the Panny's. The 450 resolves more detail than the NTSC format can deal with.
On a fleshtone chart, the 100A made a pleasing, saturated rendition of the little girl's face, but the 450
showed more natural detail, such as freckles and tonality. After matching the 450 to the 100A using a
MacBeth chart, then shooting the flesh chart, the 100A still looked more saturated, but with less detail
and tonality. I had to boost R-G and B-G on the 450 matrix to get a similar fleshtone saturation, but
that skewed the MacBeth color chart match.
I found latitude in the highlights to be very similar for the 450 and 900, and the 100A was better than I
expected, although it didn't have the shadow detail--it looked more contrasty and saturated, less subtle
in gray scale gradiation.
The 900 has the 4:2:2 color space advantage going for it over the other two cameras, the 100A is an amazing camera for the money, just too noisy compared to the super clean 2/3" cameras, the 450 has more natural resolution than any SD camera I've seen, but this causes artifacts on very fine detail--particularly when monitoring in composite. I didn't have enough time to really get to know the Panasonic cameras in enough different conditions, but I at least got an idea of what they are capable of.
Finally, with my testing of the Pro 35 adaptor and 65mm Zeiss Super Speed, I found the system to be a good match for the DSR-450WS, as there is some slight softening of the image. The difference in depth
of field is startling vs. a normal 2/3" video lens.
Jeff Regan
Shooting Star Video
www.ssv.com
Ohh! What a report! I am amused!!! Thanks Jef to share the report with us. It helps me a lot for future work. Does anybody have similar report or findings with Sony DSR 400 and JVC GY HD 100U? Please share in this thread or kindly open a new thread.
Thanks once again.
www.adexpressions.com
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That makes a lot of sense.
Thanks Mr. David and Mr. Brian.
I am very sorry to post lot of stupid questions in the forum. Please pardon me for my stupid questions and poor knowledge.
As a matter of fact in our country we don?t have this kind of high-tech knowledge institute or personnel who can give us some light. I stayed in Bangladesh which is a developing country in South East Asia. Usually we purchase our Camera and other equipments from Singapore. We do not have any shop or dealer in Bangladesh. There are 7 channels in Bangladesh. One is govt. owned terrestrial channel and other 6 are private satellite channels. Very recent we are moving from Beta Cam to DV cam. Till now our govt. channel only receive Beta tape and other channels receive both Beta and DV tape. Here is only one Digi Beta camera and only one smoke machine. Now a day some of the young editors start working with FCP, Matrox Axio etc. A new generation young?s mostly Director like me who are fortunate to some extent travel Singapore, Bangkok or Mumbai basically trying this new things to introduce in our industry. We don?t have any academic background, no film institute, no DOP workshop going on ever, no dealer shop to check the camera, no lab to see the results of other works. What we have? Interest, eager to know more about techniques and equipments form you people who are enlightened and experience enough. Who are fortunate enough to touch, feel the latest equipments, can take rental and shoot some demo stock with reasonable/affordable cost. May be in future we may be get the things in our country, we are hopeful. By the time we are seeking information, hang on the net to learn from you guys and share among others like minded fellows in our industry. You know when there is only one Sony DSR 570 in our industry all we went there and try to touch the camera for getting the feel. We always hang on the STAR channels and think how we can make our production close to that quality with affordable price. Some of us joined every year to the Asia Pacific Ad Fest to see the latest work. Our industry has some Beta and DV cameras. Lot more we want to buy individually to enhance our work. The business people only think about to make money with the cheaper cost camera but we want to look into the quality also with affordable price. That?s why I want to invest in upgrade camera and editing panel. Here in Bangladesh usually a DV/Beta camera rental is USD 50/fllday. And editing panel rental is USD 40/8hours.
I am thanking you for having patience on my stupid questions but I am sorry, I can?t help myself. I want to learn and get informed to buy my camera within this month.
Thank you very very much to giving me lights.
Best wishes to all of you.
Warm regards
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buying cameras... I've been toying with buying a broadcast camera recently but there are many factors that made me hesitate, obviously the initial cost is the biggest one but also importantly as technology is changing so fast you might buy a camera and 6 months later it is getting obselete. I'd go and buy the best camera you can if you knew you could pay for it in hire costs otherwise I'd be very careful. I decided to invest more in lighting gear as this can be hired again and again.
- 'Though the great thing about owning your own camera is that you can test it every which way and also know that it is being looked after! If you don't own a camera then you need to develop a relationship with a rental company who'll let you test and try things out - this is great except when they're busy and all the cameras are out!
... I know a guy whose recently invested in digi-beta kit because he has a on-going deal with the BBC - but now the BBC has (unbelievably) decided to shoot most of its mid-range shows on DSR's! - he's now left with a mortgage he'll be lucky to pay back!!
All the best,
Rupe W
Thanks everybody to write your experience in this thread. It is very interesting and I learnt a lot. I would like to buy a camera not very expensive. Gradulally I will buy other gears, eg. lenses, mini-35 etc.. I live in Bangladesh and here the available rental camera is :
1. BetaCam SP
2. Digi Beta
3. Sony DV 400, 450, DSR 570 etc
My purpose to buy :
1. To shooting my TV serials and documentary
2. To shooitng my TV commercials
3. To give rental
Can anybody suggest which camera should I buy?
HDV : JVC or Sony or Canon and WHY ?
HVX : which one and what is the differnce with DV or HDV
DV : which model?
Here in Bangladesh usually camera rental is USD 45/day. So I have to think about my ROI also.
Should I need to buy matte box? how this will help in the shooting, quality aspect.
Pl help me in this regards.
pardon me for my poor knowledge.
Warm regards to all of you.
Best wihses to your success.
Dream Merchant
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HDV is pro-sumer. The Sony HVR Z1, JVC HD100 and Canon XL2 are used professionally, although the XL2 is a Mini DV camera, the XL H1 is the Canon HDV camera. Each camera fits a different niche in the market and you'd need to decide which suits you best. Price wise I suspect you'll have to rule out the XL H1.
HDV picture quality when downconverted to SD is comparable with the high end DVCam cameras, some say better, but not as good as DigiBeta.
You'll also need accessories to have a working camera kit.
Thanks for the reply.
Sir I would like to hear your opinion which camera should I go for? I would like to shoot TV serials , documentary and TV commercials with that camera. In future I will try to shoot mini 35 with this after buying some lenses. No Idea whether it will be ok with or not.
What kind of accesories you are talking about for the camera kit? I will buy matte box, tripod and field monitor. Looking for any comments on tripod and field monitor but nobody talks about this. I got some information regarding tripod and came to a conclusion that LIBEC might be better for me. What is your suggestion? Field monitor not yet have any idea.
Waiting for professionals and experienced opinion from the seniors.
Pl help me.
HELP
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Does the US$6000 include the lens?
Quickly looking around any prices I've seen for the DSR 400 seem to be around $11,000 with a lens. You may also need a good tripod, because a DV type tripod just wouldn't handle a bigger camera and for an ad you want a high quality tripod.
If your budget is $6000, you seem to be limited to buying a HDV pro-sumer camera.
Unless you want to hire in a camera, HDCAM is well above your budget to purchase.
You can shoot HDV and then downconvert to SD in post. You can also shoot DV on a HDV camera.
The choice of camera would depend on the content and style of the ad.
If you're just doing one ad, it would make more sense to hire the camera.
Great to hear from you!
Thanks for helping me. I knew that the DSR 400 is much higher priced than my budget but I also heard that HDV is much better than DV camera. Is it true?
What is HDV pro-sumer?
I read about Sony HVR Z1, JVC HDV CAnon XL2 etc. in the net. Are they professional camera's?
I am now using hired DV cam or DG beta for Ad and drama serial shooting. But I am setting up my mind to buy a professional camera on my own. I may start my own work with my camera as well as I can give that camera rent out for other to use.
Whats your suggestion now?
I need experienced help.
REgards
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I believe the Sony PD170 in progressive mode drops to a half frame rate (something like 15P for the 60i version of the camera) -- sort of useless for anything but shooting graphics for titles or something. Not meant to be used for live-action work.
There are "film look" programs that will process interlaced-scan footage, with varying success -- some people swear by them.
Personally, I think it would be simpler and better (other than simply shooting on film!) to get a DV camera that does 24P/30P-to-60i (NTSC) or 25P-to-50i (PAL), like the Panasonic DVX100B or Canon XL2.
Of course, the 24P option is only one aspect of what constitutes the "film look".
Hi!
Why not you consider JVC or Sony Z1? are they are not good? I need hlp in this regard to choose a camera, can you pl help me?
I'm looking for a camera for my panel. I have a plan to setup my editing panel within 15days with FCP studio 5.1.
I heard Sony DSR 400 is a professional DV cam which can capture broadcast quality photography. I don?t know whether this is correct or not. My budget around USD 6000/=. I can also spend a little high if there is any better facility available.
How about HDV or HD cam? Is it more expensive? How much an entry level professional camera (compare to DSR 400) will cost? Any idea? Any Suggestion!
What is the basic difference of DV and HDV? May I shoot the ad film with both? Which will be better? Pardon me for my poor knowledge, please.
Thanks.
Dream Merchant
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Dear all:
I have a little idea about editing software and machines. But I need the expert opinion from any of you. I would like to set up an edit machine. I would like to use DV and HDV camera.
In our country broadcast out put only in DV and Betacam SP. Also we need mpeg file to write in DVD to show rough edits to the clients. Here in Bangladesh most of the editors are friendly with PC based software and few are friendly with MAC based software.
I am looking for less trouble giving machine and long life machine at least 5 years I can work on that. Otherwise my investment will not get back. Which platform and software (PC or MAC) will give me the future opportunity to be in line with coming technology?
Considering price and all other aspect can anybody give me an advice . I will be grateful.
I have received two quotations for both MAC and PC almost same. Followings are the specifications. Can anybody suggest me which machine will be better option for me.
Power PC G5 QUAD
Two dual-core 2.5GHz PowerPC G5 processors
1.25GHz frontside bus per processor
4.5 GB of 533MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-4200)
250GB Serial ATA hard drive
16x SuperDrive (double-layer)
NVIDIA GeForce 6600 with 256MB GDDR SDRAM
Apple 20" LCD Monitor
Final Cut Studio 5.1
Audio mixter : Yamaha MG 16/4 16-channel audio mixer
And for PC
Processor 3.5 Xeon Intell Original
Mother board (super micro, server, Agp slot 1, Pci slot 5 )
RAM 3giga
Casing Server (duel power supply)
Dual agp (any company)
CSI controller
Scasi Hard disc 70g
Satta hard disc 300gb 2pcs (Raid)
Capture card Canopus NX or Matrox Axion(need HP brand machine)
I am now in Bangladesh. All the IT products usually imported from Singapore, Bangkok or China. For both MAC and PC according to the specification it will cost me around 10,000/= USD (each). I would like to start my business but I am confused which platform I will use for long service and return on Investment. By the way here in Bangladesh editing panel cost 50 USD/hour with machine rental and editor's remuneration.
Any suggestion!
THANKS FOR THE HELP.
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size=7]Hello Everybody! :D
I'm looking for a camera for my panel. I have a plan to setup my editing panel within 15days with FCP studio 5.1.
I heard Sony DSR 400 is a professional DV cam which can capture broadcast quality photography. I don?t know whether this is correct or not. My budget around USD 6000/=. I can also spend a little high if there is any better facility available.
How about HDV or HD cam? Is it more expensive? How much an entry level professional camera (compare to DSR 400) will cost? Any idea? Any Suggestion!
What is the basic difference of DV and HDV? May I shoot the ad film with both? Which will be better? Pardon me for my poor knowledge, please.
Keep continue on this pl.
Thanks to the moderator and the members to help me.
Dream Merchant
Want to buy a professional CAMERA
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Dear Mr. Oshiro
Thank you very much for your valubale opinion. Now I will take my decision. Price difference is almost 2400 GBP. I have to think this 2400 GBP extra what will give me in future. I live in Bangladesh so I have to check now Singapore market regarding the price.
Thank you all for helping me.
Warm regards