Jack Honeycutt

Hi....

This is a update on the Auricon_Sound users group:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/Auricon_Sound/

This user group is for folks interested in 16 mm Auricon cameras, amplifiers, or shooting optical sound using modern film stocks.

1) We have moved a lot of original Auricon literature and schematics to high quality pdf files and posted them on line.

2) A test rig has been developed that you can use for testing or repairing your Auricon amps (NR as well as RA series amps).

3) A modern, solid state power supply has been developed so you never need to carry around heavy dry cells batteries.

We are a friendly group that enjoys the free exchange of information on Auricon equipment, as well as discussions on early optical sound in cinema. We have files, links, literature and photographs. But the best part are the people. Join us (free) if you have a interest in early optical sound, or Auricon equipment. We have also branched out into other optical sound formats, and incluse some 35 mm and other vendoes optical sound equipment. We do not ask for any money. We are a users group that exchanges informaion.

Polite conversation only please.

Jack Honeycutt

Portland Oregon, USA

jack@solid.net

Hi All,

 

We recently shot a short using foma 16mm film and I am in love with the stock. Very silver rich, nice blacks, simply wonderful. So I wonder if there is anyone in sweden interested in getting some foma 16mm together so we could manage to get some discount from foma.

 

Tack!

 

richardson

I wish you were in the USA. I would like some.

jack

Portland Oregon, USA

Hi-

 

I see that you're in Portland- to send you on something of a goose-chase, I know there is an older couple in Oregon-somewhere- who have been dealing in old projectors for quite some time, you might try searching for them, I saw them in their little booth at last year's big antique expo.

 

at any rate, they may have something?

OK, Good to know. I will search around and keep my eyes open for them. Thanks!

jack

Hi Jack,

 

I realise that you have already found the Film-Tech site however I would suggest posting on the Film-Tech forums in the classified area. There are some very knowledgable projector people who visit Film-Tech.

 

Henry.

Henry....

Very good idea Henry. I will give that a try. Thank you.

jack

Hello folks....

I picked up a 1955 vintage DeVry series 10, 35mm projector. I would like to find some literature for it. I found some free literature/manuals at Film-tech

http://www.film-tech.com/

They were close, but not my model. I have done the ebay thing, and googled "DeVry" and "De Vry". But I am coming up empty handed. Perhaps I need to contact a 35mm projector club or something.

Can someone toss me any leads? I do some 16mm and some Super 8, but new to the 35mm world, so I don't know my way around.

Thanks

jack

Portland Oregon

Hi....

This is a update on the Auricon_Sound users group:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/Auricon_Sound/

This user group is for folks interested in 16 mm Auricon cameras, amplifiers, or shooting optical sound.

1) We have moved a lot of original Auricon literature and schematics to high quality pdf files and posted them on line.

2) A test rig has been developed that you can use for testing or repairing your Auricon amps (NR as well as RA series amps).

3) A modern, solid state power supply has been developed so you never need to carry around heavy dry cells batteries.

4) A new, solid state amplifier that will drive a galvo in Auricon cameras is about 99% finished and is now moving to the breadboard stage.

We are a friendly group that enjoys the free exchange of information on Auricon equipment, as well as discussions on early optical sound in cinema. We have files, links, literature and photographs. But the best part are the people. Join us (free) if you have a interest in early optical sound, or Auricon equipment,

Polite conversation only please.

Jack Honeycutt

Portland Oregon, USA

jack@solid.net

I did a quick search on public domain movies and it didn't come up anywhere so yes it's probably still protected, probably because it was written by Douglas Heyes who wrote Ice Station Zebra among others. The good news is that apparently Drums of Tahiti absolute BLOWS according to EVERY SINGLE REVIEW I read. It apparently is boring, lack-luster and make almost NO use the the fact that it's a 3D movie and this is even stated in the film's contemperary reviews, so perhaps it's better you CAN'T show it to your group, you may have saved them 73 minutes of their lives, they'would have never gotten back. B)

The 3D community knows how poor the movie is. So many 3D movies were. In this movie, they used flat scenes projected onto rear screen. Then, they would place trees rocks and other stuff in front, then film in 3D. The 3D community enjoy picking apart effects, learning about which cameras used, etc.

The Library of Congress got back to me. For $150 a hour, they could search all copyright issues related to the film. They say the search would probably take two hours or so. That is more than I can afford. So I will probably just pick up the phone and call Columbia and beg. I had no idea that Douglas Heyes also wrote Ice Station Zebra. Thanks for that info.

jack

The Library of Congress is the authority on the matter in the U.S., either contacting them and/or do a search through their Copyright Office, should be able to tell you its copyright status. I think there is also a published book (sorry don't know the name of), that you maybe able to find in a reference library, that has listings of motion picture films and their copyright status.

Thanks David. I'll visit the Library of Congress web page and see what I can find out.

jack

Folks....

I bought a old B&W film on ebay ("Drums of Tahiti", Columbia, 1954.) It is 16mm, two reels. It was shot in 3D. I want to show it at a 3D club. But the club sells tickets to the general public. So, they do not show any films that are not copyright free.

How would I go about finding out about this film? Or any film for that matter.... ??

Thanks in advance.

Jack Honeycutt

Portland Oregon

Yeah, Guerilla filmmaking. :D

The Gorilla filmmakers out where I live would rather film with a small HD or SD DV camera that they can hold in the palm of your hand.

Auricon equipment is not that. ;)

jack

I've heard of Auricon's in the past but don't know anything about them. Is the idea that with an Auricon one can shoot Optical sound on film live with everyday Kodak Film?

Yes!

If that is the case that is a very clever concept that perhaps would make an excellent subforum on this website.

Or, you could join in on the conversation at the above forum.

It sounds like the ultimate low budget guerilla filmmaking path one could take while staying in a larger film format, or am I missing something?

The old vacuum tube optical sound amps are heavy. They run on heavy dry cell batteries (or a converter). This was popular equipment for a newsmen to carry around in 1950-early 1970s. This stuff needs a hand truck to lug around.

jack

Hello folks....

I have started a Auricon optical sound users group on yahoo. I am inviting anyone who is interested in Auricon optical sound, or just Auricon cameras in general, to join. We are a very small group of folks that are interested in the free exchange of information regarding all things Auricon. To reduce spam, I have it so that you need approval from the moderator (me) to join. I am sure I will approve all, this is just to keep the spam out. After that, you can post with out moderation. If you join, I hope you might post a introduction message about your self and tell us what you are working on, and your Auricon interest.

Here is the link:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/Auricon_Sound/

I have a large library of Auricon literature, and I would like move it on line. I hope others will join me. We also have a file, pictures, and links area.

Please join us. Polite conversation only please.

Jack Honeycutt

Portland Oregon

mailto:jhoneycutt@qwest.net

So Kodak has only one reversal film for sale? 100D? Are you guys getting anything else from elsewhere?

Reversal that is.

While 100D does not look like K40, it is still a lovely stock.

Last time I bought some from Kodak, they sold it on 400 spools (not 100 ft). I made four, 100 ft rolls of it. Very handy.

hi Ozzball,

7231(very good latitude) is a good deal for your project, use a pan glass(contrast viewing glass for B&W) for a best result(making a great light).

If your light meter doesn't say anything and you can see something through your pan glass, don't worry shoot.

regards.

Mikael.

Hello Mikael...

I would also like to shoot some B&W. I like the B&W look better than the black and gray that I usually get. What is a "Pan Glass" and where can I buy one?

Thanks in advance.

jack

The SO-227 is actually a high contrast color emulsion film (process ECP-2D) coated on acetate support. It is usually used to make printing negatives of the head and tail leaders that are used when cutting negatives for printing. Not intended as a processing machine leader.

Ah, OK. Thanks again.

Many labs use the Blue 7-mil polyester leader for processing leader, for its durability and stiffness. The pink 4.7 mil polyester leader has less stiffness (more like regular film), and an antistat to prevent static buildup. The BWO 8.3 mil acetate leader is black on one side, and white on the other, useful for finding twists in the theadup of a machine.

 

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products....1.4.18.6&lc=en

Humm.... So many to choose from. I think I will call Kodak now and check out the prices. All good info. Thanks John

jack

Here is information about Kodak leader materials:

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products....1.4.18.6&lc=en

Thanks so much John. I think I am going with the polyester, non perf learder for my machine. It is Kodak catalog # 8935702. But I am confused between it, and something Kodak calls "Positive Leader". Kodak has leader called Positive leader SO-227, catalog # 1135425. Can you tell me what Positive leader is, and what it is used for? Here is another on line Kodak catalog with more Kodak leader in it:

http://www.kodak.com/US/plugins/acrobat/en...og/access04.pdf

Here is information about processing:

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/....1.4.15.4&lc=en

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/....1.4.15.6&lc=en

Just want I needed! Thanks John! I will be reading all afternoon.

jack

Wow! Good luck with this project.

 

Dirt will probably be your biggest enemy. Filtered water is one thing, but drying is the greater risk area - the emulsion is soft, sticky like fly paper, and exposed to the air in your basement. Everything will need to be scrupulously clean.

 

Also your junk film used for leader could be a risk if you leave it sitting in the chemicals for a long time. You can get machine leader (eg from Kodak) which has no emulsion to get soft and fall off.

 

Keep us posted on your results.

Thanks for the info. The processor has a glass enclosed (clear fiberglass or plexaglass I think) drying area. So, hopefully, the film will be somewhat dry when it is put on the spool in the end. The enclosed drying area (under glass) has a heater & fan in it.

It is good to know that Kodak has some machine leader I can buy. My friend has about 500 ft is is giving me. I pulled in this old dead film only becasue it was all I had, and the clear leader in the machine was so filthy.

I have been cleaning it all day today. I hope I can do some testing soon. I am excited!

jack

I received a new toy a few days ago. It is a Cramer model #810 Super8/ 16mm movie film processor. It can process 400 ft of film at a time. This machine was made in 1982. I am slowly taking parts off of it and cleaning them. I have been using my ultrasonic cleaner as well as the dish washer.

It is left with leader in the machine after you process some film. I removed the old leader. Using the machine's motor, I pulled in new leader (some old dead film). The old leader was so filthy, it was putting dirt back on to my clean parts so I had to remove it. I am going to Home Depot/Lowels and buying a water filter kit so I can send filtered water into this unit. I have a space cleared in my basement for it and it is right next to my basement sink. After checking the manual, and turning stuff on and off, I think everything works. It is just very dirty.

Cramer made several small run processors. Mine was made for VNF developing and runs film at about 3.6 fpm. The Cramer model #805 was made for E6 processing, and it ran film at 1.5 fpm. I have a speed adjustment on this processor. But I have not gotten to the part where I time the film speed. I hope I can do E6 processing with this baby. It has 18 tanks. The tanks sit in a water bath at a controlled temperature. It has a motor to run the film in the processor, and another piston type motor to make air that runs in all the tanks. It has a heater at the end where film is dried before it is put on the take up reel.

I need to read over the manual a few more times, but as I understand it, you load the film in the dark. After the film is loaded and the machine is turned on, you can turn on the lights (well, at least for VNF processing). It processes the film, dries it, and winds it up onto a take up reel all un attended.

After I get it all cleaned up and run some tests, I hope to shoot some film in the morning and watch it in the afternoon.

I posted three pictures. Here is the front with a lot of stuff removed and in the wash:

http://www.filmshooting.com/scripts/gallery/forum3/cp1

Here is the tail end when the film is dried before going to the take up reel:

http://www.filmshooting.com/scripts/gallery/forum3/cp2

And here is the back side:

http://www.filmshooting.com/scripts/gallery/forum3/cp3

I would like to exchange information with anyone with a Cramer film processor or other interested folks. The last time I developed film I was in high school in 1968. But I was more excited with Monica in the dark room than I was with how my pictures came out.

I still think about her.....

jack in Portland Oregon

I am having a Cramer film processor shipped to me in a few weeks. It is a Mark III, model 810. It is set up to process Super 8 and 16mm film.

I am looking for any paperwork or manuals or folks that might be using this or other Cramer movie film processors.

As I understand it, the Cramer Model 805 was for E-6 and the 810 was for VNF.

The unit I am getting (old, needs work, dirty, etc) is from about 1983. I think the Cramer units may have been used in TV news rooms when the news was shot on movie film and had to be processed that day. It may take no larger than a 400 ft roll of 16mm, but I am not sure.

I would like to exchange literature and info with anyone playing with this old technology.

Thanks

Jack in Portland Oregon

jhoneycutt@qwest.net

"Simplified" processing sequences may not yield consistent results, and are usually more prone to undesireable interactions and cross-solution contamination issues.

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Thanks for the links John. By Simplified, do you mean 3 step E6 processing?

jack

Folks...

I have heard of 3 step E6 processing and 6 step E6 processing. As it relates to movie film, is one process better than another? That is to say, all other things being equal, will the final results looks about the same?

I need a "E6 Processing For Dummies" book. Can anyone recomend a web site or book to me?

Thanks.

jack

If you can't wait for it to come to super8, why don't you shoot a roll or two in 35mm, just to take a look at the colors and tonality. You can project the slides. It would be the same kind of colors as if you projected super8 on a projector. Only enlargement would be different.

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I still might do that. But now that Aug is only 11 days away, I may just wait for it's super 8 cousin. But if the roll out date is pushed back, I am sure going to give that a try.

jack

John Pytlak or anyone....

Is the August roll out date for 64T still good? I am itching to shoot some of this film!

jack

I was recently asking a similar question in another thread (with regard to print stock in camera) apparently panchromatic film came in during the 30's sometime, and films before then were orthochromatic like this one! So the colours might be similar to those in early silent films like "the cabinet of dr caligari" and "nosferatu".

 

Personally I think that sounds like lots of fun, but then I probably have very strange ideas about cinema.

 

I assume you are thinking of running this stuff in the Auricon, which is a nice idea! :)

Not only might it improve the sound quality but I bet you could shoot a really interesting film with optical sound and the silent film look. Might be very atmospheric if done right! ;)

 

love

 

Freya

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I have sent Agfa email, but nothing yet. I would sure like to play with this stock.

jack

I'll try and think of or find out the name of the film I'm thinking of. S16 blowup to 35 IIRC.

 

I know people who have run 7363 through Bolexes. I'd think an Aaton wd tolerate the pitch diference pretty well...

 

-Sam

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Thanks Sam. I would like to see what this looks like.

jack