Tony Hudson

Hey Tony, did you ever get a Cine-8 super-slow motion camera?

yeah, I got one, works great.

I have some lenses up for auction:

ebay

Agreed!

...and it's still way over priced at over a $1000 to have your camera crystal modified.

The only decent thing I see Pro8mm offering is the 25fps crystal sync option.

:lol:

 

Let alone offering an Ultra 8 format modified camera gate with a viewfinder system that is pretty much missing the point, as I wrote in this thread here and now had to find as being exactly as I feared by looking at this picture of Wittner Cinetec's German distributor salespage for the Pro8mm camera formerly-know-as-a-Beaulieu-4008.

 

A ridiculousness I've last seen on a lesser scale with the frame-cropping 16:9 modification offered by the former German Beaulieu distributor Ritter for the Beaulieu 6/7/9008-series camera and the Beaulieu 708-series projector in the late 1990s... :rolleyes:

What's disapponting about Wittner is that they acquired all the old Beaulieu stock and decided not to release any of the old/new stock, as was originally intended, but just sell the Pro8mm version 4008 instead.

just to let people know there is a cinemeter II on ebay, these lightmeters are amazing

I can't believe that Cinemeter II sold for $1,400. I know it's like new but a more worn Cinemeter II sold a few days ago on ebay for $200.

I have the first Cinemeter, which is made of metal not plastic, are there any other differences between this one and the later Cinemeter II? There doesn't seem to be any functional difference.

Would anyone like the return of a film stock similar to the old Kodak MFX Estar film that was sold as 100ft load carts? That's 5 minutes at 24/25fps. I'd love to have the option, it was obviously a thinner film stock.

But by looking at what the thing or person is actually on about, wants to achieve, and then evaluate her, him or it based on its/his/her own presets, goals and whether those are achieved or failed-at miserably, I think one can actually develop a meaningful conversation about its point of being, its impact and how to proceed from then on in one's further life.

You sound like a consultant there Michael. The ruination of many a fine business.

For next week, Emil, I wish you a great shoot with few unexpected problems and great results. I am sure your 5008S Multispeed will deliver better material than 95% of Super 8 cameras can even dream of. I am also convinced that it will settle in well at your place. It deserves attention and love as it is a worthy gear for such. let alone to own. And in that sense: Good light to you!

That's good enough for most shooters. Semantics be damned.

Wow! Michael..

What is wrong whit the 5008? does that include the 5008MS?

Im wondering since i just shot a test roll whit that, the 5008MS, that i havent got delivered yet.

So i havent seen any pictures from it, but we're gonna make a short movie using it next week.

Any special problem whit it?

There's nothing wrong with it, the 5008's a decent camera with the 2 best super 8 zoom lenses ever made -either the Anegenieux 6-80 or the Schneider Optivaron6-66. It's an underated camera that's better than most and nowhere is it remotely as bad as a Bentley or any other cheap cameras. It's also one of the quietest cameras around.

Any comparison between the Bentley and the Fujica P2 should only be made in regard to it's shape not in the P2's function or quality. The P2 is far superior and has a proper glass lens not a plastic one like the Bentley's.

It's also a design rip-off of the great little Fujica P2 single 8 camera:

Current issue of Schmalfilm features Kahl as opting out of the Telecine survey by returning the test film unopened to sender (in this case Jürgen Lossau). As this was a voluntary test, this should not be stigmatised per se, however, he was only one of two IIRC who did so.

Well if he doesn't have any confidence in "his" stock and development, why should we?

The lens has been re-centered, so when you look throught the viewfinder, whatever you see in the 16:9 frame is what you'll get on film. Now that's pro!

Well that's great, a definite plus.

Mike,

 

The viewfinder is modified with 16:9 guides. The viewfinder also is one of the best and brightest i know of. There is also a knob that you turn to implement ground glass for focusing. This camera is truly amazing, offering everything a serious cinematographer could want to create beautiful images. You should go to pro8mm.com and request there dvd demo. All the footage is shot with this camera and it looks jaw dropping.

Has the lens be re-centred so it's aligned with the 16:9 guides, meaning when you zoom it doesn't look like it's veering of to the left of shot.

I expectd some bashing, however, which ever way you slice it this camera is top of the line and IS 100% overhauled w/max 8 and crystal sync - speeds 0-70, immaculate with many, many other professional feaures. So I'd be willing to bet that if somone offered you one for free you'd drop whatever crusty 40 year old camera you're using now in a heartbeat. My guess is that most of the animosity comes from one not able to afford it. If you're not interested, save your breath. I'd rather sell it to someone who appreciates fine craftmanship.

 

Cinematographer's are a nasty, nasty breed!

It's not a criticism, it's a truth. I've used ZC1000s mostly and have had Beaulieu/Ritter 7008PROSD8 systems so they're not exactly crusty 40 year old cameras. It's not animosity either, this is a discussion forum more than a classifieds section so whatever you post here can be discussed and should be allowed.

The camera was literally born 1 month ago - they built this for me. So how much you ask, well fr everything: $3,000.00 That's $500 less than the retail price, not including the light meter and film! If you're interested please email me: Paulyc44@aol.com.

 

Hurry before I change my mind.

I'd say the camera was really born in the 70's and reconditioned, since it's really a Beaulieu 4008.

hey,

 

have you seen this matte box by wittner-cinetec?

 

oron.

Wittner don't make that matte box, they are just a sell through for pro8mm gear who've been selling that matte box for years.

matte

Could you post a bigger picture?, this only fills my 30 inch screen.

I am working on it, Glenn! :)

 

By the way, this will definitely not be a one-off article, but a consecutive series of texts over the forthcoming issues, if Chris agrees with my proposal.

 

Why? The effort and amount of information that went into these test films and screenings, plus the complexity in not only determining objective criteria but to agree on (of course only) subjective evaluation, AND THEN think about the features and functions the cameras have as well in order to set up a "top camera guide" list, was quite significant.

 

The four or five top cameras/lenses that I have already listed and written about earlier in this thread were relatively clear-cut to determine (their results have appreciable differences that sets them visibly apart from the follow-up group, yet relatively few differences amongst themselves; its their "philosophy" and unique functions that distinguish them from each other).

 

The follow-up group of cameras – mostly built during the "Super 8 zoom war", around commag sound and with XL feature – are much more complex to assess, and have less appreciable differences indeed.

But this group also features cameras which have serious long-term reliability issues construction-wise that cannot even be solved with the imperative bi-annual CLA jobs, so buying those is in effect a ticking time bomb. I am just writing the texts on these cameras, and they are much more fun to read as you can throw in a lot of background history and context which I hope might be of interest for people who don't know the time when Super 8 cameras went over the counter.

 

Finally: that our results might spark a trench-warfare debate that can easily erupt around the eternal "Nizo/Bauer/Beaulieu-Bandwagon" vs "Japanozoom-Fighter" fandoms is something I want to avoid, because I have no time for this sort of discussion. So in order to make sure noone feels that his beloved camera was wrongly bashed, putting some more words into the texts to elaborate on the cameras as much as possible is probably a good thing to do.

 

I keep you posted as soon as I get feedback from Chris, who is surely working overtime for his great magazine.

Any chance the Fujica ZC1000 single 8 camera will be included in the test, just as an outsider, for comparison?

No joke, look at the picture -

 

http://home.pacbell.net/mnyberg/super8mm/plate_r10r8.jpg

 

Again, it seems to have only sprung, passive retraction, perpendicular to the film plane, between perfs, no film transport...two tilt-axis-mounted, reciprocating-action-tipped claws, one for each direction...you can see the "top"(left-hand) claw is in place for forward filming, with the "bottom" (reverse filming), claw tilted out of the film path.

 

I've just run a short filmstrip along this second claw - it snaps into each perf, being subsequently pushed back down by the trailing edge. Again, it remains stationary with film transport trigger depressed.

 

If it's not designed to help stabilize image registration, I can't imagine what it is designed for...

 

Mitch

As far as I know, the little sprung arm comes out to add stability to the film, in it's place, as soon as the first claw pulls it down. This is not the action a reg. pin performs, a reg. pin actually pushes from behind the film and engages a perforation, pushing the film flat against the gate allowing for a more static, flat frame. The Nikon thing doesn't force the film flat against the gate, it only adds minimal support at the front, I'm not too sure if it really adds anything as there is no real force applied to the film.

R10 reg. pin, top left of aperture -

 

http://home.pacbell.net/mnyberg/super8mm/plate_r10r8.jpg

 

Though sometimes they stick, guaranteeing the most possible jump. ~:?)

 

Servicing a Super 8 camera involves perhaps more risk than 16mm...?

 

Best to luck out on a camera that's seen little usage/good storage since it was put together by the carefullest tech on a lucky day during the height of the manufacturer's R&D/quality control. ~:?)

 

Nikon Superzoom 8 is the sharpest I've seen, including wide open with wide angle attachment. Very cheap.

 

Mitch

The 2nd claw on a Nikon R10 is not a reg pin.

i understand that there were 200ft magazines from kodak and an aftermarket one. does anybody know anything about them? is the kodak one reloadable?are there any mags for sale,especially the aftermarket ones?

It's too hard trying to reload the Kodak mags.

I owned some of those Beaulieu/Ritter cameras with 200ft mags at one time, but they are quite heavy. There are some pics on this web-page of my camera:

Beaulieu SD8 system.

They were great for long take shots and had good image stability but it ate the batteries.