Brian Langeman

OK. So you want to show this list of commercials or finished products to the 95% of people who don't understand all of this, and present it in an easy way to view it? That makes sense then. Although I don't know how much say those 95% of people have in selecting which camera to use for a project. I would hope that the people in charge of selecting the cameras have some of the understanding that we have, and at least know that the finished product is far from what the camera delivers. But the world isn't perfect, so maybe they don't even understand that basic concept.

No, you don't need to rewrite anything. But the comment you made could easily be interpreted in a few different ways. So in the future if you must resort to degrading a group of people with names, then maybe you should pick your words a little more carefully. I don't know what other kind of response you'd expect.

Maybe I'm a bit confused here, or don't know what you're trying to see with real-world footage. But I thought you would want to see what the camera can do, and not what the editors can do, or the people compressing it into various output formats. If you're looking for what the camera can do, isn't judging it by the final output kind of backwards? After all of the grading and compositing it can easily be made to have more dynamic range, for instance compositing in other elements that couldn't have been shot with it. And the colour reproduction is clearly not the same after grading, and watching it on a non calibrated monitor. And then there's the issue of it being encoded into whatever format your watching it on, either broadcast or DVD, again which changes it from it's original form, and is also different for each different output format you would see it on. Watching the finished work often doesn't show anything about what the camera can do, and I think you would want vanilla files that haven't been touched to judge it by.

Why don't you do your own research before making unfounded accusations. As Matthew Rogers said, people HAD asked and not received an answer. Does that actually matter to you? Or are you just gonna keep on ranting ignoring half of the story?

Hello everyone. This is my first post, mostly cause I usually just read everything and make my own decisions, or learn info that way. What do you consider real-world RED footage? I'd consider it anything shot for the purpose of being used that isn't a test chart or something. Why are downloads not real-world? You can download clips off of REDRelay.net that are good examples of what's possible on a RED. I'd consider two very good reels of what you can get out of a RED here http://www.mammothhd.com/MHD_RED5.html Watch those and decide if it's a capable camera. But in the end, you obviously need to test it yourself to decide whether it will work with the project that you have in mind for it. One thing that's almost always overlooked with the high resolution is the ability to crop. You can punch into a shot by quite a bit if your final delivery is HD or even more if it's SD and still have FULL resolution on your final medium. And it gives more possibilities for post work like stabilizing shots cause you can afford to through away lots of edge pixels even if finishing in 2K. If you really want to get technical it's been said that the true full resolution it'll give because of it's bayer sensor is 3.2K which is still a lot more than the Genisis will give. Clearly resolution isn't everything and you've got to look at dynamic range and other things too, but the RED clearly has the Genesis beat on resolution. As for workflows, that greatly depends on the type of project you are working on. I don't think the RED is intended to be a camera for news broadcast where companies have invested huge amounts on tape workflows. It really is a cinema camera first. That being said, take a look at this clip http://www.red.com/red_mythbusters If you're working with HDV at the moment, I don't see how it's ANY harder to work with the quicktime proxies which will give you plenty good quality footage if outputting to HD or SD.