Michael Maier

Nice article there. It really goes to show what this camera has to offer combined with that 35 adaptor. Does anyone here have some personal experience with this setup? I'd like to get some of your opinions.

Yeah, I have used the HD100 wit the M2. It's was pretty ok. Not as sharp as I would like it to be, but the real limitation was the Nikon stills lenses. They just breathe too much to use in any professional production for my tastes. I think if you are doing some serious work you should rent some PL motion picture lenses.

About that article, it's really a great piece, very informative. But it's quite dated already and since them new 35mm adapter have hit the market, like the Brevis and the Sgpro, which I find both better than the M2. Specially the Sgpro. The latest demo clip is incredibly sharp and has the nicest bokeh of all the 35mm adapters in my opinion. They are about to release a PL mount version, which I?m tempted to get. If I ever buy one of those adapters it will have to be a PL mount.

Well, all I have to say about it is that I will apoligize for doing the same thing when I hear the RED-heads apoligize for blaming well respected companies like Canon, Sony, DALSA, Panavision, and etc. of industrial espionage. That was just as bad, if not worse, than implying that the break in was a hoax.

Did Jim or anybody else from RED actually blamed any companies? All I saw was somebody else throwing a joke about SONY. Or are you talking about something that happened on another forum?

Congratulations Maier, you've won!

Look, if you noticed, I barely post on the RED forums. I?m just following the camera?s development and waiting to see, instead of putting the thing down before it?s even out or shooting the RED team?s leader with false accusations and personal attacks that have nothing to do with cinematography. But I just couldn?t take the crap that you and a couple of others were throwing around anymore. I will never understand why there are people who have a personal agenda against RED here. You don?t like it? Great, it?s your right. Then stay out and spare us from your BS.

But that?s getting quite ridiculous! Now you?re showing your true nature it seems. Could I expect anything else actually? It's easy to pick on and bash somebody isn't it? But it's not so easy to take the blows yourself uh? Having to appeal to quoting others for help and to hiding behind excuses really shows traces of a founded and balanced person. Way to go!

Now if you had not spoken all that nonsense and delivered all those unfounded personal attacks you wouldn't have to be hiding behind silly excuses and other people's quotes now, would you? You brought that on yourself. You fired first and now you're there, acting all victimized and angelical. What a joke! I just hope you will think twice before trolling again on these forums. It makes more sense than having to defend yourself with silly arguments or lack of any valid ones afterwards.

And now I'm done with you. Be a coward and hide behind silly arguments if you want.

Michael, I think you better let it die. Im sorry for the accusations I made about RED and so is D. But if you insist on keeping up this fight, I think it is you who will be banned.

As I said, I'm done with Mr.Goulder.

At least you are saying you are sorry. That?s good.

I just find it funny you're telling me to let it go, while I'm not the only one coming back.

Birds of a feather?

About getting banned, if people calling Jim a thief among other worse things didn?t get banned I fail to see why I should. I haven?t called anybody anything even close to that. I actually haven?t called anybody anything bad at all. If the hat fits, then wear it. That?s all.

We could do without your personal attacks, too. Try to show some class and leave it alone.

How was that a personal attack? Did I call you or insinuated that you are a thief?

And please, stop hiding behind the class BS when you have got none, judging by your prior posts. Why get classy all of a sudden?

Hi Emanuel,

 

Adaptors are quite easy to come by but I am not sure they are really the lenses you need for a 4K camera. I got some with a camera package I bought. After playing with them for 1 hour I decided to throw them away!

 

Stephen

That's quite strange Stephen.

I have used OCT-19 Lomos and they are pretty sharp.

There is a movie shot in 35mm with Lomo and Zeiss glass (forgot the name) and even if you are a professional, you can't easily tell what shot is what. The audience would never tell.

What lenses did you throw away?

It was really stupid of you to dig up old exchanges, after the rest of us have made our apologies to each other and decided to move on. Next time you should check the dates of the posts you're quoting, and ask yourself what could possibly be constructive in digging them up again. It was childish, pointless, and irresponsible of you to do so, as you obviously have nothing positive to add to this forum. JUST DROP IT.

It's funny. People used to stand behind what they said. Old posts? You sound like I dug some year old posts up. It's no even three weeks old. Have you changed your mind on the matter? Did these 2 weeks make you see your claims that Jim will run with everybody?s reservation deposits were insane, unfounded and disrespectful? Otherwise I don't care how old your posts are, they still count.

It was wrong of you to dig up old exchanges and try to restart arguments that the rest of us have already apologized to each other about and moved beyond. You ought to try and avoid the name calling, too. It shows a complete lack of class. Yes, I left a response because you put me in a position where I felt I had to. Now, PLEASE, let's leave this alone. Please do not respond any further to my posts, and I will promise to avoid responding to yours.

Peace,

D. Goulder.

Next time try to think before you post nonsense things. That way you won't need to write off line asking people not to reply to your posts because you have no arguments and hide behind excuses like "lack of class". You were a real class act with your nonsense trolling. Oh yes, a real gentlemen. It's a cliché saying but it's well said: If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.

I'm just sick of every time I visit the RED forums here there are posts like yours and others bashing something that doesn?t even exists and worse, shooting Jim down with unfounded personal attacks and accusations.

It's inconceivable that anyone could make a statement like that with a straight face. C'mon. You were kidding...right? Come to think of it, only an "addlepated fool" would put a deposit on something that was still in R & D. That's a terrible business practice, fraudulently preying on the naive. Perhaps your indignation should be focused more on the perpetrators, rather than those who're merely pointing it out. Swallowing everything someone tells you, especially regarding such things as their massive personal bank account (which shouldn't be anyone's business), is hardly a virtue.

Perhaps you should just quite playing mother to everybody (did anybody actually asked you?) and leave us alone. Who's asking for your advice? People are putting their money down, not yours. It's their own business and theirs alone. It's ok to warn and share your opinion once, but why keep coming back and reposting the same numb mind stuff? Are you getting paid by somebody to do that? Otherwise I can't see the point. It's their money, not yours.

Why does nobody seem to be concerned that Jannard left Cinematography.com because he couldnt take the heat of the questions he was being asked? Isnt there something wrong when a guy who claims to want input is so averse to it?

What you and your little gang of friends were doing was not input. It was disrespectful trolling and ignorantly senseless at that.

Your obsession with this guy's wealth is beyond ridiculous.

And your jealousy of it is way more pathetic.

Mike, look at the date on that post. Have you looked at updated post? I said I wasnt going to "harass" RED products anymore. And I haven't. The only mention I have made has been concerning price. Don't insult when you arent even up to speed on posts.

That doesn't change the fact you spammed us all for months with those numb minded stupid comments. I actually still wonder why you are still around if you don't believe RED? Why don't you just hang out on the film forum or whatever is it you respect?

After comments like this one :

Clint, if you think people become Billionaires by being honest upright folk, you need to do your research. I quit being a business major because of the many awful and cruel stories of businessmen and their practices, which are largely acceptable in that field. For instance, car manufacturers who would rather pay out settlements instead of recalling cars because its cheaper to let people die than to recall the cars. Thats about how business works.

?that has nothing to do with the break in or cinematography, just to once more insult Jim, you have the face to ask not be insulted? If you don't have a though skin don't insult others. I can and will hold you for anything you said. I don't care if it's now or a week ago, it still moronic.

I'm just sick of all the personal attacks and silly jokes and absurd theories on this particular forum by people that don't even intend to buy the camera (apparently). They are just bringing the whole community down. Just get out if you don't like RED or put your money where your mouth is and present some EVIDENCE of all the crap and fraud accusations you all have been vomiting around. Otherwise SHUT UP and let people that want to wait and see before criticizing exchange useful thoughts.

Oh, and it?s Michael for you!

Yeah, especially those expecting a refund.

Why isn't this guy banned yet?

This is ridiculous! Jim should sue this guy for all he's got so he would learn never to make unfounded accusations anymore.

You can't be serious?

Taking people's money for a product you never intend to deliver is called fraud, people go to jail for such things. Now I'm not saying that is the case with JJ and Red.

Yeah right!

I just want to know what hole you guys will hide when RED start shipping.

PS: Cleaning up the glass? Next time try iron bars.

Of course, Iron bars, because every camera manufacturer have the security of a nuclear power plant on their facilities. Gosh!! Give us a break dude. Just go shoot some 35mm and evaporate from the HD forums already.

Why are you posting that? I already read it at DVXuser.com. I dont need to read it here too. You couldve posted a link but this is just spam.

Oh, and what you and some others have been doing since RED started is not spam?

ok :rolleyes:

Yeah, the script could go something like this: New hi-tech startup borrows lots of money to develop prototype. Investors get antsy when prototype doesn't live up to hype...feel they're being taken for a ride. When company can't make good on investment, investors decide to confiscate equipment. Company employees hasten to hide gear, claiming it was stolen. They even keep jacking up the reward money, since they know it will never be paid anyway. Company brass end up being charged with fraud, after which they're sent to "country club" prison, where they proceed to hustle fellow prisoners into backing them for the next startup, which will be referred to as "Blue". Sorry, I couldn't resist, but something sounds fishy.

Anybody ever told you you are a D*?

Jim, why dont you look after your project man. If I had reserved one, I would be pissed right now. But not at the burgler but at you for not protecting our interest. Sir, it all comes down to you. You are the leader and the praise and the blame stops at you. I assume 20+ years in business taught you that much.

God, the D* invasion has no limits. OMG! Dude, get a life and get out of the RED or the HD forum for that matter. If RED ain't for you stop trolling and leave people that are looking forward to RED the h* alone.

Go shoot some 35mm and forget about us here.

Thanks for the info. Where can I get this done? Or do I buy the mounts and do it myself?

I'm looking for a way to use OCT-19 lenses with a PL camera body. Is there some sort of adapter?

I posted the frame grab from my GL1 SD 720X480 DV video camera to show that it's not far off from the stills I see from your HD system.

Yep. It?s really not far off from the 4K Red image posted. The only difference is that your frame grab is like 1?x1? on the screen and the 4K from RED is a full screen one. For somebody that criticized Jim for no being a production guy and for so being forgiven for a minor mistake, you seem to know even less about Digital production. That?s the only explanation I can find for somebody posting a 1?x1? image from a ¼? low-end consumer camera and saying it?s not far off from a full screen 4K frame grab.

When you talk in your posts about continuing to pay for processing, film stock, transfers, etc, since you're a billionaire I know you know the meaning of the phrase "you get what you pay for."

When people buy Red they will get a $17,500.00 image. When people shoot film, they can spend a little bit of money, and get a multi million dollar image

Dude, you can choose to miss the point as much as you want, but please, don?t make a fool of yourself in a public forum. If you think the Red makes a $17,500 image because it costs $17,500, do you think a F900 makes a $130,000 image then?

I know an Arri 535 is not a multi-million dollar camera so your point that you get what you pay for holds no water for starters.

Besides that, the point is Red is $17,500 and if the moving images do any justice to that 4K frame posted it?s obvious it will burn a F900 or a F950 and they cost over $100,000. Are you sure you are getting what you?re paying for with Red?

What do you mean by pocket film camera? You mean a stills camera that shoots film, a SLR camera? {There isn't really any such thing as a pocket film camera for cinema use.}

 

I do have one of course a Canon AE1.

 

Now you understand that a pocket film camera for stills and a Canon GL1 are two different beasts? I think you're thinking that a Canon GL1 is a digital stills camera, it is not, it's a video camera.

Ok then, let me re-phrase Jim's question then. That's from a guy who have owned a GL1 and know what a piece of s... it is even compared to a 1/2" DV camera, let alone a 35 sized chip camera capable of 4k.

Anyways, if you love film so much and are such a huge film bigot, what are you doing with a Digital camera in the first place? Why do you have a GL1 instead of a Super8 camera or even a 16mm one?

Question: on the Red home page there appears to be smoke coming out of the Red camera. Is this what one can expect when they start using it, spontaneous camera combustion?

R,

What kind of moronic question is that?

Images look fantastic by the way!

Good grief Richard, I am rolling over here from laughing so hard. I was wondering when my film mate would pay a visit here and make a comment. We may not agree on Steve Irwin but with this, i have your back entirely. The images look great, but nothing like 35mm.

Maybe because it is NOT 35mm? Would that explain why the images don't look like 35mm? I guess that's a quite reasonable explanation actually. What do you think?

David is right. It was shot in HD. The directors and Jason Statham himself had said so. I’m not sure what camera though. They could have mixed cameras, using bigger cameras when they could and small 1/3" ones for the action stuff. A lot of it looks like 1/3” cameras. I saw a picture where I could swear the camera was a XL series one. If so, probably the H1 since the XL2 is SD.

The JVC is the only one, which can be handled very professionally.

But I am very disappointed of its quality in the post production.

Stephan

http://www.mussil.com

You must be handling it wrong. I have seen amazing results with color corrected HD100 footage.

That's a good idea David.

What I always knew about Lomos is that they are rated in meters and F-stops as opposed to inches and T-stops like most cine lenses in the U.S.

I agree Keith. I think even if it's only compressed 8bit, it better to color correct it on a uncompressed 10bit system than on compressed 8bit system. At least it would degrade any farther.

But I think it would at least avoid farther degradation. Specially if it will undergo heavy color correction or compositing in post. At least it would not degrade more than the original footage or if using the original tapes.

Blade Runner

Amelie

The Crow

O brother Where Art Thou?

Seven

Batman Begins

Gladiator

Romasanta

Dick Tracy

Immortal

As far as I know, no problems on getting any look on HD.

I could swear I replied twice to this thread. What happen to my replies?

I asked for a link to the wheels.

If you want to bypass the stock lens, the P+S Mini35 is the only quality alternative so far.

About PL to 1/3", I think JVC is coming out with an adapter for the HD100 that will allow 16mm lenses to be used. I think it's a PL.

Looks great Michael. I went to your website and saw some H1 clips. The color ones, are they 1080i or 24/30f? It looks interlaced.

I also saw some HD100 BW footage. Do you have any HD100 in color around there? I couldn't find any.