Rodrigo Prieto
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Hi Phil,
That was the color of the wall. It is a small doctor's office, and it was lit with an 18 K through the window out of shot with Full Grid Cloth diffusion just outside the window, and a flag inside to darken one third of the wall behind Bardem. He was also lit with an overhead 4x4 Kinoflo with Cool White bulbs gelled with 1/4 Minus Green. On the dark side of his face, I placed a black 4x4 card for negative fill.
Cheers!
Rodrigo.
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Hi guys,
I wonder how the film Biutiful is color graded.
Or is it mainly the effect of their choice of film they shot on?
But anwyays, I wonder if the look on Biutiful is achievable in post.
reference(pics):
http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2010_Biutiful/2010_biutiful_001.jpg
(movie trailer)
http://www.movie-list.com/trailers.php?id=biutiful
Thank you!
yaztj
Hi Yaztj,
I guess I can answer your question as I graded the film with colorist Miguel Pérez Gilaberte in Barcelona. In general, my approach to digital intermediate color timing is quite simple, using it mostly as an interactive form of grading using printer lights. I like the Lustre configured so that the individual clicks on the keyboard represent points of color or density. Only rarely do I change color saturarion or contrast, and if I do it is to match shots rather than affect the look. So I test different combination of camera stocks with print stocks to determine the look I am after for every project. In the case of Biutiful, after much testing, I settled on Kodak Vision 5260 500T camera negative pushed one stop, printed on Vision Premiere. The result is a contrasty image with saturated color and visible grain. For the scenes on the snow I used Kodak Vision 5201 50D to have a pristine, transparent image in contrast with the rest of the movie. Night scenes I shot with Vision3 5219 pushed one stop as I found the blacks to be cleaner in very dark scenes, whereas the pushed 5260 resulted in blueish blacks. So, the look of Biutiful could have been mostly achieved photochemically, but since I combined aspect ratios, shooting anamorphic for some scenes and spherical for others, we had to do a DI. Of course, once you have the tools of the Lustre at your disposal, I did do windows to control some areas of the frame in a few scenes. I am no purist. Whatever works best for a final image is the approach I will take. It is just that I feel that once you start tweaking contrast, saturation and sharpness, the image starts to look "digital". This is why I rely on photochemical methods to find an image that I like for every project I shoot.
Thanks for your interest,
Rodrigo Prieto.
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I have not posted in a while. For a film I am prepping, the VFX supervisor suggested shooting Day for Night background plates for a train interior scene (through an open door) with the RED camera with a fish eye lens to crop into the image for the different angles of the foreground plates shot poor man's process on stage. Since the background images will be darkened quite a bit and will be soft focus, he thinks the resolution of the RED will be good for cropping into the image. I am curious about the Phantom 65 for this application instead of the RED. I have no experience with either one of these systems, so I would appreciate any input in terms of comparative resolution and latitude of these two cameras. Can I use some sort of Fish Eye lens with the Phantom 65? How do the two cameras compare in noise levels? The foreground plates will be shot with G Series Anamorphic Lenses. Any thoughts?
Rodrigo Prieto, ASC
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Great ideas, thanks! I will shoot tests next week, and hopefully will have several options to try out. I am looking for black and white infrared stock here in Madrid, as well as the mini infrared litepanels. Still waiting to hear if they are available over here. I am also waiting to hear if there is any HD camera to remove the IR filter for the test (be it Genesis, F23, Viper... still looking). Also working on getting over here the image intensifier from Panavision in London. I am also contacting the representative of FLIR Systems here in Madrid to ask about the P640 camera. Many interesting options... I will let you all know the result of the tests (if I can get any of these cameras or devices by next week!).
But one question: Anyone have an idea on how to measure exposure with Infrared light (the mini infrared litepanel). I imagine that on HD I can use the waveform monitor, but on film???
This is what I love of our job... always something new to learn...
Rodrigo.
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Thanks for all these ideas. I did see the Roller Ball scene that David mentioned when I was researching for Babel. I will test that device ("image intensifier") from Panavision, but I have a feeling it may be to "military" for our purpose. This is a scene where the characters and they are in complete darkness, and the director wants the actors to really feel the anxiety of not seeing anything (if possible). No stunt or danger involved in this case, so I am quite intrigued by the idea and the challenge. Does anyone know if the IR filter is removable on the F-23, the Viper, the Genesis or the D-20? Or any other high end Hi-Def camera? I want an image of the highest possible quality, that can be somewhat colorized in Post, but has the odd eyes of night vision, and is slightly reminiscent of the military and security cameras (but more "realistic"). Andreas, I have not seen The Time of the Wolf, but I also played with the idea of shooting blackness, but the director does want to see the action, that becomes quite emotional. Perhaps I will shoot some of it with regular film, as at one point a character lights a cigarette for a moment, but has to turn it off. It may help remind the audience that indeed they are in a completely black environment. The trick is how to do the transition...
Anyway, all the ideas are welcome at this stage. Thanks!
Rodrigo.
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Rodrigo, you should talk to Francis Kenny, ASC. He has been checking out the new NHK "Super Harp Camera" which shoots in very, very low light. Just like what you are asking for. He told me he was going to get a demo at NAB this week and investigate the camera. He's a very nice guy and I'm sure he'll help you.
Thanks Tom! I will contact Francis. Anyone else heard of this "Super Harp"?
Rodrigo.
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I have not posted in some time, but I am now starting prep on a film in Spain, and an interesting challenge has come up in the script (as always). The scene happens in complete darkness, and the characters can't see what the others are doing, but, of course, we want the audience to "see" the action. Talking to the director, he wants the actors to really be in total darkness so that in fact they can't see each other. Hmmmm.... I once tested a night vision device at Panavision that is placed in front (or behind?) of the lens, which was used in the remake of Roller Ball. It essentially means shooting a low-rez night vision video signal with a film camera. I was wondering if anyone knows of any new developments in this field. Is there a high end HD camera capable of shooting with IR lighting, for example? Ideally the images look like a very high quality Night Vision, which we would colorize a bit in post to make the image less monochromatic. We don't want a military style image, but rather a stylized, high quality version of it, where you can distinguish some color, but the eyes still have the weird look of Night Vision. Am I making sense? Any ideas?
Rodrigo Prieto.
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I agree. Never be too good at something you don't really want to do. It sounds illogical somehow, but people have a strange way of failing upwards in this business. If you're too good at something, those above you are less willing to let you advance for fear of losing someone so good at that position.
I beg to differ. Of course, everyone has a different path, and what works for one may not for the other, but my experience has been that excelling will always give you an edge. My first big break came after working as a PA and stills photographer in a small commercial in Mexico City many moons ago. I worked very hard, and at the end of the shoot, the owner of the agency remarked on what a smooth production we had ran (the UPM and myself... small crew those days.) I told him that I didn't want to be a producer, that I really wanted to be a DP. I was in my second year of film school and had just turned 22, having only shot Super 8 and 16mm, but he asked the Production Company to hire me as the DP for his next campaign!! I had no reel, and was obviously very green, but I did it, and it turned out all right, and that launched my career as a Commercials DP. A few years later, I shot my first feature, and eventually met Alejandro González Iñárritu in commercials. That let to Amores Perros, and so on. Yes, I was very lucky, but if I had done a mediocre job as a PA on that small commercial back in 1987, my career would have been different.
When I see someone working with passion at brooming the set, or making the best slate you have ever seen, I make a mental note of that person and who knows when I may be asked for a reference of someone to do some other job. I see your point about wanting to keep someone at a position he or she is good at, but when that person is ready to move on, and expersses the desire to do so, I will be sure to help that person along if I consider the talent is there (I can only speak for myself, but I am sure most people would do that.)
I truly believe this is the best way to live your life and career, with passion and joy, every day...
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My two cents:
Enjoy what you are doing NOW and do it to the best of your abilities. Even if that is making sandwiches for the camera crew, if your attitude is one of being where you want to be that instant, putting all your effort into making the best sandwiches, someone will notice and ask you to do another job later. There is a spark you see on certain people that makes you want to have them in your team to make your job better or easier. Recommendations are very important, but you only get recommended if the person recommending you is confident that you are professional, serious about your job, and have a good attitude.
I also think that there is never really a moment when you know or think you have "made it". There is no arriving at your "goal". I have the same excitement and fun working on the films I do these days as when I was in film school in Mexico City. It is all about doing the best you can every moment regardless of where you want to be in five years. Annie makes a good point about slowing down and this not being a race. Just work hard, enjoy the people around you, shoot anything that comes your way (I filmed all kinds of horrible no budget stuff for a long time, but always felt it was an opportunity to learn and to me it was no different than shooting Gone With the Wind), and forget about the "future", it has a way of becoming the present constantly.
Good Luck!
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I just saw NCFOM and was awestruck by Mr. Deakins' cinematography. Just like the day I saw Fargo, I was reminded of the magic of apparent simplicity. Sometimes I find myself trying too hard to invent fancy lighting, and then I am humbled by how effective, riveting and poetic stripped down lighting can be. It is not easy to make naturalistic lighting work dramatically and emotionally with the story and the performances, and Roger pulls it off again. I was looking at the actors eyes to find clues of how he lit them, but only found the reflection of what looked like the real sources. It is like watching a magician perform, trying to catch the tricks, but not being able to! I was thrilled to be so inspired by his work once more, it shows me that there is always so much for me to learn and strive for. Thanks Roger!
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Thanks David!
It is very exciting! I have not seen any of the other nominated films yet, but I am looking forward to it!
Rodrigo.
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Rodrigo, I was wondering if you could talk a bit about your lighting approach and how you create that beautiful, wrapping soft light, I also noticed very prominent eyelights, almost at all times, it really brought me closer to the character's emotions.
To me, the film had the characteristics of a noir film but with the use of more soft light, some of the angles reminded me of the noir movies from the 40's and 50's, was there any particular films that were used as a reference?
I enjoyed the slow mo shot when they were crossing the street, that's a perfect example of technique not being overused, held for a crucial moment in the film.
Hi Francisco,
Thanks for your comments. I am glad you enjoyed the film. As you point out, I did set out to emulate a film noirish feel, but with soft light, so the challenge became controlling the soft sources without the use of forests of flags. Lighting each character to emphasize their state of mind and intentions was a fun process. For example, there is one scene where Mr. Yee walks into the room where Wong Jiazhi is unpacking, he comments on how she has changed as he moves from a "godfather" soft top-light into a soft side-light in one step. Instead of dimmers, I used egg crates and "baffles" on the diffusion frames to make the light directional, but soft, keeping it concentrated in pools of light. I used custom made baffles for our kinoflos and soft boxes, and "soft-tools" egg crates for the bigger frames.
It is funny you mention eye-light, as I usually don't use eye-lights, but in this case I did in some instances. The scene where Wong is told she has to gain "experience" by sleeping with one of the guys of the student theater group was one example, as we wanted the intensity of the eyes of the two girls as they talk about it to be enhanced. I used a mini-kino with heavy diffusion. For Mr. Yee I used a gag we called the "Killer Pizza Light" which you can read about in the October issue of the American Cinematographer.
In terms of references, strangely enough, we did not look at movies, just paintings and photographs of the era.
I agree about the slow motion, it is a technique that I usually shy away from, except for very specific moments (like in Alexander where we only used it for the scene where Alexander is wounded and nearly dies).
Anyway, thanks for your comments!
Rodrigo.
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Alex and Tom,
It is good to hear that you each liked a different part of Babel. I personally don't have a favorite section, but I must say that shooting in Tokyo was quite a treat after suffering the heat in Morocco and Northern Mexico.
Tom, maybe it is best if you see the film first (in a cinema) before you read the article, although I was careful not to reveal much. If you pay close attention, you probably could figure out the plot points of the scenes I describe is in the story. It is just hard to talk exclusively about what you are trying to do technically, as it is all in the service of the story and what the characters are going through. Every decision made on the way the movie should look and how to approach it photographically is based on story points, so it is not easy to describe it without spoilers. Anyway, I hope you enjoy Lust, Caution when you do see it.
David: You have read every issue of the AC since 1924?!!!? You are a walking encyclopedia on cinematography! No wonder you are so knowledgeable! Amazing!
Rodrigo.
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One thing I don't like about American Cinematographer is that the articles are often filled with serious spoilers, so you can't really read an AC piece safely until after you've seen the picture. This often means that I have to go back a month or two or even a year later, after I have finally seen the DVD of a certain picture before I can read the AC article.
I wish AC would prohibit major spoilers in their articles. They are not really important for discussion of the photography most of the time. This would also allow us to the read the AC piece in advance of seeing pictures, so we can keep our eyes peeled for certain techniques, setups and shots.
Just my 2 cents.
Good point Tom. When I looked at the article for Lust, Caution before it was published, I realized it had several spoilers, so I tried to rewrite them as to not reveal important story points. I am curious to hear if you think that I made the descriptions abstract enough so as to explain the intention of the specific photographic techniques without giving away important story information. Thanks!
Rodrigo Prieto.
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Thanks David!!!
"...sort of like the work of Sven Nykvist in some ways." Wow!!! I am a huge fan of Nykvist and am extremely flattered by your words! I did indeed use Master Primes with 1/4 Black Diffusion FX on Fuji Eterna 500T for the Shanghai part of the film. Day exteriors in Hong Kong were shot on Kodak Vision2 5217 200T. The film was timed on the cool side, but the print I saw the night of the Premiere was a bit more cyan than I would have liked. Somehow negatives from a DI react more strongly to color tendencies once you print on film, which can be a bit frustrating. Anyway, I am glad you enjoyed the photography of the movie. Please tell your friends to go see it before it is not on the big screen anymore!
Big hug,
Rodrigo.
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Does the TSB have any markings or stops so that you know how much offset you're introducing? I was aware that tests need to be done to see how much of the effect you want, but how do you set it so as to maintain a consistent percentage of missync?
You know Jon, I don't remember. I think you could put your own markings on the dial of the device... I do seem to recall that it was quite controllable and easy to use. I remember testing many different settings so there must be a way of knowing to what degree the effect is done.
RP.
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Luis,
Check out the Timing Shift Box from Arriflex. I tested it for my last film (Lust, Caution), but we did not use it in the end. It is an attachment to the camera that can alter the synchronisation or phase of the shutter and the movement, creating the streaking FX you describe. With the TSB you can adjust the strength of the effect, you can ramp it, adjust it manually, have it jitter, etc. You do not need to make any modifications to the camera while using the TSB. I think you can use it with the Arricams and the 435, but I don't know if other cameras are compatible. As always, if you can, shoot a test to familiarize yourself with the result on screen as you can't see the effect on camera or on the video assist.
Good luck!
Rodrigo.
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Mr. Prieto, I live in Austin, Texas, home of High End Systems. perhaps this is what you remembered:
That's it David! Thank you very much!
Rodrigo.
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Greetings Mr. Prieto!
There's a music video someone i know directed that used something like what you are describing where lots of moving text and images were projected brightly - i know the video was shot on s16mm, so it's definitely bright enough to expose film. here's a link to the video:
http://www.ryanrickett.com/reel/shewantsrevenge.htm
if its what you are looking for, i can definitely get you in touch with them or find out what they used.
Hope this helps!
Hi Joseph,
I watched the video, and I think it would be useful for me to talk to the DP who shot it. Although I am looking for something more kinetic (like pulsating graphics of electric "energy"), it is a good starting point. Anyone have more ideas on this?
Thanks!!!
Rodrigo.
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Hi Rodrigo,
Is this what your referring to?
".......Compare Original Camera Negative to first
generation answer direct from the camera negative with the same negative scanned at 6k on
a Northlight Scanner and down rezed to 2k. Color correction of the digital files was done
on a Lustre (Colorfront) system and will be projected on a 2048 x 1080 pixel DLP
projector. Both Full Frame and Split Screen images will be presented.
Addtional information can be optained at the screenings.
Location: 6433 Hollywood Blvd., Hollywood, CA 90028-6203 (Old Pacific Theatre)
Phone: 323-463-3255
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American Society of Cinematographers and Digital Cinema Initiatives will
provide demonstrations of the StEM material at the USC/ETC Pacific theater
on Monday March 29 and Tuesday March 30.
This is one of the few times the film/digital comparison will EVER be
presented. We will have open times on both of these days for anyone that
wants to attend.
Monday 12noon, 2pm, and 4pm
Tuesday 9am, 11am, 2pm, and 4pm and a 7pm showing.
Please invite all interested parties. It is a great demonstration!
Reservations are not needed, just show up and see who is there with you!
Jerry Pierce for DCI/ASC Tech committee....."
Cheers Glenn.
Could try this also:
http://www.christiedigital.com/products/cp...000Overview.asp
Hi Glenn,
Actually, I am looking for a company that does computer graphics for projection for shows or events or things like that. They were showing it at the ASC as a tool for lighting, which I thought could be interesting for a dance scene in a club, projecting bizarre patterns and colors on the dancers. I thought that using front projection would eliminate shadows, and create the illusion of a "no source" lighting.
Rodrigo.
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I am still shooting "Babel" with Alejandro González Iñárritu. I have a scene in a Night Club where I am looking for a kinetic lighting effect to compliement the laser display of the location. I remember attending a lighting show at the ASC where new lighting technologies were presented about a year ago. One company (which I don't remember) presented very bright digital projection of graphics and images for lighting FX. I think this could be interesting to use as front projection on the characters, where I could perhaps create strange patterns on them from the axis of the lens (or very close to it). Does anyone know which company develops this technology? Any ideas or suggestions?
Thanks!
Rodrigo Prieto.
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Hey out there,
I have a question pertaining to the overall color balance of a film image. One of the cinematographers I am most impressed with is the work of Rodrigo Prieto in films like Frida and Eight Mile.
My question is how does one obtain the blue and green hues etc contained in his images. Do you just gel selected lights with the shades of blue and green, or just take care of it in post.
I know you can select and control certain areas of an images exposure by power windows, but do you have the same option with colors. Or do you just tell the colorist to mix blue and green and apply a slight sepia to the whole image.
thanks in advance,
Marquette
Hi Marquette,
For 8 Mile, I went for the cian and green hues in response to Curtis Hanson's description of the film as a "weed growing from the sidewalk". Also, I found a lot of Mercury Vapor (blue green) street lighting in Detroit, mixed with some Sodium Vapor (amber). For night exteriors, we used actual Metal Halide, Mercury Vapor and some Sodium Vapor fixtures to set in frame for backgrounds, as well as to light the foreground. I also used Lee 728 Steel Green on tungsten lighting fixtures to simulate Mercury Vapor, and 013 Straw Tint for Sodium Vapor (mostly for distant backgrounds). For interiors like the bathroom scene in the opening, and the audience in the "Shelter" night club, I used uncorrected Cool White fluorescent bulbs on the practical fixtures, and Kinoflos off camera. So, overall, the cian coloration was achieved in camera. The Digital Intermediate was used mostly like traditional grading, with very few windows or secondary color correction applied. It was very useful to do interactive color grading at Efilm to get the exact tone of green or cian, but I mostly adjusted that with digital "printer lights".
Rodrigo Prieto
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Boy, this shot's really gotten me thinking. Please let us know how you end up doing the shot, and how it turns out.
OK, yesterday I tested on location different ways to achieve the shot. As many predicted, the Easy Rig did not work for this shot. It restricted my ability to have a totally free camera, and when I tried having the camera facing backwards operating with a monitor, it became clear that operating was very tough, and the shot was too bumby. I tried the simple way, actually walking backwards, but my spotting grip tripped, and I almost fell on him, and the stand-in carrying a girl almost fell on us, so I discarded that idea (and the shot looked too rough and shaky). Finally I tried a rig we named "The Joey Seat" (in honor of Joey Dianda, my Key Grip) which was a chair from the hotel with wood planks tied to it, and four grips carrying it. Each grip would compensate for the uneven terrain by raising or lowering his pole. They were pretty tired after running uphill with me and the camera, but I had a blast! The shot had the right amount of hand held feel to it, without it being too distracting due to vibration.
Thanks for all the ideas and comments. Prepping a movie for me is like going back to film school, and with this forum, I have many teachers!
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A question for Camera Operators and DP/Operators:
I am prepping a movie in Morocco which we will shoot all hand held on Super 16 (this part of the film). There are a few shots that involve moving uphill on very rough terrain, looking back at an actor in close up as he advances rapidly. We don't want to use steadicam, as the director dislikes the smooth look, but I don't want the image to bee so shaky that we lose the actor's performance. I am exploring different options, one of which is the "Easy Rig". I am also intrigued by the Pogo Cam, but I have not used either of these rigs. The idea would be to operate with an on-board monitor to have the camera facing backwards, while still being able to see the ground so I don't fall on my face. Another option is to use the Aaton A-minima without any special rig, but again with a small monitor.
Any ideas?
Biutiful color grading
in Post Production
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Hi David!
In my lighting package I had quite a few cool white bulbs as there are many scenes with fluorescent lighting in which I used cool whites exclusively to match existing lighting or to keep the green/cyan look of cool whites. On the doctor's office I wanted Uxbal (Bardem) to have a combination of white daylight on one side of his face, combined with cyan fluorescent top-light to add discomfort to the moment. I felt that Cool Whites slightly corrected gave me the right amount of greenish top-light for that moment.
For other scenes I used Chrome 50's clean and in some cases even added a bit of plus green and 1/4 blue to the bulbs. For example the scene in the sweatshop where the Chinese immigrants work was lit with cool white bulbs, but the office of the boss seen in the background was lit with Chroma 50's gelled with 1/4 Plus Green and 1/8 CTB. I then graded to make the office or the boss "neutral" in color so that the rest of the sweatshop would still be cyan/green but not as extreme as if I had left the office Chrome 50's without gels and graded to that.
Rodrigo.