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Well Brian your neighbours in New Mexico are stealing a lot of film jobs:

 

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/05/18/foreman.bua.film.industry.cnn?hpt=C2

 

Dang them!

 

R,

 

PS: The film industry actually started on the EAST coast when Edison ran it all. But he refused to allow Jews into the film business so they all said *bleep* you Edison and they moved out to California and started Hollywood.

 

Now that's run away production!

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And I'm 2 miles away from the border!! ALL my low budget scripts are set in the desert and IF I can save enough cash, I plan to move across that border to Chaparral New Mexico. Alaska has some damn good incentives as well in case you want to emigrate Richie. I'll sponsor you, buddy!! :rolleyes:

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And I'm 2 miles away from the border!! ALL my low budget scripts are set in the desert and IF I can save enough cash, I plan to move across that border to Chaparral New Mexico. Alaska has some damn good incentives as well in case you want to emigrate Richie. I'll sponsor you, buddy!! :rolleyes:

 

I already live in a frozen wasteland so I don't want to move to Alaska. New Mexico would be nice though!

 

I say we all move to a place that has film tax incentives just to cheese off Brian :D

 

R,

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Why not? Alaska's gorgeous right not as we move into summer. We've also doubled the number of features and shows here in the last couple months through the new film office. Frozen wasteland, ha! We also have beautiful temperate rain forest or wonderful coastal surf towns. Our biggest battle will be to combat the pre-conceived notions a lot of people have of Alaska.

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@ Richard: Winters are nicer here in New Mexico, but summers suck. Don't come here unless you like tons of dry heat, not as bad as Phoenix, but pretty brutal. Water is definitely a problem, and not just for the movies. And the movie projects coming here mostly come for the gorgeous desert / mountain environs, or (surprise!) unless there are some big financial reasons involved. Urban movies often have a hard time finding locations here and some directors I have worked with LOATH New Mexico for that reason. Boom or bust? I guess we shall see what happens in the future. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

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Our biggest battle will be to combat the pre-conceived notions a lot of people have of Alaska.

 

Well I know your igloos now have electricity, running water, and indoor plumbing.

 

I hear the giant igloo in Anchorage where your gov't sits is melting though due to global warming?

 

I hear there's a new four lane hwy that just opened to be used only for dogsleds so Alaskans can finally get around the state.

 

That's all really awesome, congratulations!!

 

R,

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I already live in a frozen wasteland so I don't want to move to Alaska. New Mexico would be nice though!

 

I say we all move to a place that has film tax incentives just to cheese off Brian :D

 

R,

 

Hey man, I'll sponsor you for New Mexico too. course now EVERYBODY in New Mexico has at least a rifle kind like every other western state in the US but Hell as an emigrant, you can get a few guns yourself. I really DO want to shoot something in Alaska at some point. It is such an incredible place (Sarah Palin not withstanding, everyone's allowed at least ONE mistake :rolleyes:) with scenic beauty unparalleled. I could really do something with those sweeping vistas!!! B)

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I'm not precisely sure what the point of this thread is, beyond attempting to make fun of me personally and to make light of a very serious economic issue for the industry and the world....

 

But maybe this will make Richard feel better about governments bribing private for-profit Corporations: http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Federal-Funding-to-Benefit-British-Columbias-Film-Industry-1264147.htm :)

 

May 20, 2010 13:00 ET

Federal Funding to Benefit British Columbia's Film Industry

 

VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA--(Marketwire - May 20, 2010) - British Columbia's film industry will receive a major boost thanks to funding from the Government of Canada. An investment of $530,000 towards the Emily Carr University of Art and Design (ECU) will help purchase equipment and develop the first western Stereoscopic 3D (S3D) Centre of Excellence in digital media and film technologies.

 

"British Columbia has a vibrant film making industry and today's investment will provide the necessary resources so this industry can remain competitive in the West," said the Honourable Lynne Yelich, Minister of State for Western Economic Diversification.

 

The S3D centre will be housed in Emily Carr's Intersections Digital Studios, based in Vancouver. This new initiative will strengthen Emily Carr's applied research and collaboration with industry and will result in the only western Canadian S3D film-making technology research and training program.

 

The BC film industry hosted the shooting of more than 239 television and film projects in 2009 generating in excess of $1.3 billion in production spending and employing approximately 30,000.

 

S3D technology is coming of age and is expected to be adopted by significant segments of the movie industry over the next five years. Although 3D projection is not new, recent advances in computer technology allow a much improved viewing experience, and therefore there is an expectation of significant adoption within many segments of the industry.

 

Today's investment by the Government of Canada will give the BC film industry a leading position through training and applied research in production and post-production for S3D technology which is being adopted by the industry.

 

"We are grateful to the Government of Canada for recognizing the need for this type of investment," said Dr. Ron Burnett, Emily Carr President & Vice-Chancellor. "This funding will allow us to grow the capabilities of the Centre and lead the country in ground-breaking S3D technology research, education and training."

 

Situated on Granville Island, one of Vancouver's best examples of unique and sustainable design, Emily Carr continues to be a respected institution for learning and applied research in arts, media and design. Founded in 1925, the Emily Carr University of Art and Design has grown from a small art school, into a post-secondary institution with over 1,700 students. Its mission is to develop informed creative artists, designers and media practitioners who contribute to Canada's economy and cultural heritage through their creative output and research.

 

Western Economic Diversification Canada works with the provinces, industry associations and communities to promote the development and diversification of the western economy, coordinates federal economic activities in the West and represents the interests of western Canadians in national decision making.

 

Richard's Government (his tax dollars) are going to his industry in ways that may or may not help him as an individual. Sounds like Socialism to me, but I don't hear any complaining about that from anyone. Where is that "Free Market" spirit! that says that everyone should make it on their own independent of evil Government assistance? <_<

 

 

 

I read another article this morning (available at www.realfilmcareer.com under http://realfilmcareer.com/?p=3794 )

 

It says in part:

 

Enacted in 2007, the program offers a 25-percent transferrable tax credit to television and film productions in the commonwealth.

 

The budget for the credit was initially $75 million, but in the 2010 budget, lawmakers in Harrisburg slashed that figure to $42 million. A slight increase is scheduled for next year.

 

Pinkenson is working on a number of current projects, but without the tax credit they will likely go to other cities — meaning a loss of revenue and thousands of jobs.

 

“All of our locals who work on film and TV projects will be out of work,” she says. “They’ll be on the unemployment line collecting unemployment instead of paying taxes.”

 

In addition to creating thousands of jobs, experts say the tax credit has also generated a whopping $300 million dollars in film production.

 

One-time screenwriter, Kemper Herron says the tax credit is vitally important and he hopes lawmakers will find a way.

 

“I think they should fund it because the jobs are here and it’s a good thing for the city,” he said.

 

Others admit they don’t know much about the tax credit, but they would hate to lose the thrill of watching a movie being filmed in their backyard.

 

 

So, if I have this straight, the local government GIVES tax credits to film productions which means that the Corporation does NOT pay taxes that it otherwise would have to. But at the same time, if a Corporation did manufacture a product within those city limits, then the EMPLOYEES WOULD PAY TAXES while the Corporation would NOT. So once again, Corporations get off scot-free and take home MORE profit (because their production costs are lower due to the tax-credits) but the blue-collar workers DO pay taxes on what they earn.

 

And this system is defensible how exactly? :unsure: And why is Richard going out of his way to make fun of me for just discussing this issue when his own nation is going the Socialist route? :unsure:

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And this system is defensible how exactly? :unsure:

 

I'm not sure you fully understand how film tax credit schemes work? Basically the states and provinces refund a portion of what the film company spends in the state. In Louisiana for instance they refund 30 cents of every dollar spent in the state. If you bought $100, 000.00 worth of building materials in LA for your shoot, the state would refund $30, 000.00 on the corporate tax return filed with the state. So you need to spend the money first before you can get it back, also, film tax credits are revenue neutral. The company that got the $100, 000.00 from the film company has to pay tax on that $100, 000.00, this money goes to the state and balances out what the state hands out in film tax credits. The states don't really lose any money, in fact they usually come out with a net tax benefit from the economic development poured in by the film company which they would otherwise not get.

 

And why is Richard going out of his way to make fun of me for just discussing this issue when his own nation is going the Socialist route? :unsure:

 

Keep your sense of humour Brian, I'm not making fun of you. :D

 

What do you mean "going the socialist route?" Canada has BEEN a socialist country for 40 years now, it's a bit late to turn back now. News flash, the USA is now a MORE socialist country than Canada is. No bank bailouts here, nor did the Canadian gov't nationalize giant mortgage companies like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac at the heart of the US financial meltdown.

 

I thought you loved socialism Brian? Your political views are certainly way left of the democratic party, you would not even fit in with Canada's true red socialist party the NDP.

 

And I have no issue at all with what the BC gov't did in the article you linked, none at all, 100% fine with me. I would hardly call the, Emily Carr University of Art and Design (ECU), a "for profit corporation."

 

R,

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I thought you loved socialism Brian? Your political views are certainly way left of the democratic party, you would not even fit in with Canada's true red socialist party the NDP.

 

 

:lol: I never claimed to "love" Socialism. I'm not looking for any government, for instance, to finance most industries, like ours. Since this thread seems to be about me ;) for some reason (I'm not sure why I'm so wonderful and special to deserve my very own thread! I'd like to thank The Academy.... B) ) ... what I personally do favor (because it is the only rational policy for a democratic state, is a careful balance of "socialistic policies" and free-enterprise. In contrast, our Tea Bagger movement along with Libertarians and most Republicans favor destroying all government completely, particularly the parts the disrupt their ability to make as much money as they can. There are other agendas (including a return to segregation and forcing their religion down everyone else's throats), but the relevant issue here is their desire to privatize EVERYTHING and use Government itself as a tool to finance for-profit products while keeping the profits a private matter. No matter how you slice it, handing out tax-rebates just means that Corporations that make things aren't having to spend as much to make the things they make ... at the expense of the taxpayers who allow the "rebates" and other bribes. Those governments likely NEED that revenue to pay for the necessarily "Socialist" programs people enjoy (like roads, police, military, fire protection, food/water/drug safety, public schools, etc). So with these bribes (in addition to other unfair trade policies, like NAFTA), Corporations (and other very wealthy individuals) wind up paying less for the same benefits of living in this society while ordinary workers (like you and me) wind up paying more when we can ill-afford to do so.

 

It's fundamentally an ideological discussion about the purpose of government and there will always be disagreements. But what's important to note in this forum is how these choices affect real people who want to make filmmaking the thing the "do" for the 70ish years they have to live. While a few people at the top continue their nefarious plan to consolidate wealth into the hands of a few, society and infrastructure will crumble as well as silly things like human rights (see: Arizona) and democracy itself. One could defend "tax incentives" by suggesting that they BRING work to particular places that otherwise wouldn't have that work, but the long-term ramifications are inherently destructive as Corporations learn to play governments and workers off one another to get more and more concessions and larger "tax breaks." Given enough time, this ultimately leads to pure Socialism (not a Free Market) as governments will become so desperate for the jobs, that they'll wind up offering to finance the production itself! Sound ridiculous? Now it does. But we already see MASSIVE subsidies handed out to oil companies. What's to stop the trend toward pure Socialization of all for-profit companies... only the profits wouldn't go back to the financier (the state), but would stays safely in the hands of the fat-cats who devised this scheme in the first place?

 

I'm hardly "far left." I'm just "Left." It just appears that I'm way over there because our own Democratic Party is essentially Republican-Lite. Our mainstream media, being Corporate owned is essentially right wing (despite claims that it is "liberal.") There isn't a lot of mainstream Progressive out there in the world right now because Corporations have so taken over much of our governments and media. We're all living in Reagan's World, devised by guys like Milton and Thomas Friedman, and being executed by the US Republican Party, the WTO, the World Bank, and The Federal Reserve. It's just a world-view that I don't subscribe to and if most people truly understood the ramifications of what has been happening since around 1980, I doubt they'd be on board either. But, ignorance is bliss, I guess. Take the money in the moment and run as far as you can with it. That is the paradigm we are being asked to live within. Do I want pure Socialism? No. And nobody I know wants it either. But I also know that unfettered Free Market Capitalism would never truly work AND more importantly, the bastardized version of it that we have right now A) isn't truly "Free Market" because of things like government subsidies and tax incentives and B ) restricts workers but doesn't restrict Corporations from working wherever they want to in the world. It's a rigged system, painted to look pretty on the outside, but is truly corrupt when you scrape the surface away. Anyone denying that is either in on it (and likely enjoying it thoroughly) or is just ignorant of reality.

 

 

Sorry to go on and on, but I saw that this thread was dedicated to ME! I was so excited! I can't wait to tell mom. :)

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as governments will become so desperate for the jobs, that they'll wind up offering to finance the production itself! Sound ridiculous?

 

This exact thing has been happening in Canada for years, it's called TeleFILM. In the UK they use the national lottery to fund British films. New Mexico is also now offering to put hard cash into movies.

 

So it's not really ridiculous, it has actually happened.

 

R,

 

PS: Any chance at all you could keep your responses to 10, 000 words or less? :)

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This exact thing has been happening in Canada for years, it's called TeleFILM. In the UK they use the national lottery to fund British films. New Mexico is also now offering to put hard cash into movies.

 

So it's not really ridiculous, it has actually happened.

 

Who receives the profits in those financing models?

 

 

PS: Any chance at all you could keep your responses to 10, 000 words or less? :)

 

Ah, you're a sound-bite guy. I'll see what I can do. ;)

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Who receives the profits in those financing models?

 

Profits? What profits? There haven't been any yet that I know of.

 

This is the film industry after all.

 

R,

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Profits? What profits? There haven't been any yet that I know of.

 

This is the film industry after all.

 

R,

 

 

Touché B)

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In Canada investment in film is seen as a way to promote Canadian heritage, even though they expect to make their money back. They never have or will.

 

The programs are such a success Canadian films command an incredible 1% of the Canadian box office. Yeeee Haaaaaw!

 

R,

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