Brian Babarik Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 I was talking to a worker in a video rental house about the XL2 today and they said that it does not have a true 24p mode. I did not have time to finish the conversation but needless to say this has peaked my interest. I am a fan of the XL series because of the interchangeable lens system. I know that both the DVX and the XL series of cameras can be outfitted with adaptors to allow for PL lens mounts to be attached. However, the DVX series worries me because I know the adaptor fits over the unchangeable lens. The questions I have are this: 1. Does the XL2 have a "true" progressive mode or else what does anyone think about this gentleman's statement? 2. Which camera has a "better" progressive mode the DVX 100a or the Cannon XL2? 3. Has anyone used the adaptor for the DVX and if so how does the image look and also how is it in working environments (is it hard to keep focus, if the focus or the zoom get moved on the onboard lens does that affect the image)? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted April 16, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted April 16, 2005 Yes, the NTSC Canon XL2 will CAPTURE at 24P (actually 23.98P...) but RECORDS it as 60i/480 with a 3:2 pulldown, just as the DVX100 does. The Canon XL1 only had a fake progressive-scan look called "frame mode". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Andino Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 The questions I have are this: 1. Does the XL2 have a "true" progressive mode or else what does anyone think about this gentleman's statement? 2. Which camera has a "better" progressive mode the DVX 100a or the Cannon XL2? 3. Has anyone used the adaptor for the DVX and if so how does the image look and also how is it in working environments (is it hard to keep focus, if the focus or the zoom get moved on the onboard lens does that affect the image)? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You should really talk to your DP about this... Or the folk you're renting equipment from. Like DAVID already stated The XL2 has the same progressive scan as the DVX100a And it's true 24P but it's recorded it as 60i. So that answer questions 1 & 2...so let's move on. I recently had the pleasure of seeing a DVX outfitted with the mini35 adapter It's a strange beast...some folk like it but I hate it. So here are my non-objective inputs: I tell you it's delicate and should be handled with care... It can lose it's backfocus callibration easily And makes the camera unneccesarily bulky. It slightly softens the image (some people love it--I don't) And you should always remember to turn on the rotating ground glass... Or it'll look like crap. It cost alot of money and ultimate doesn't change the image that drastically At the end of the day it'll look like DV footage... And won't look any better blown up... (not that this is a major reality for most people shooting DV Even the ones using a mini-35 adapter) In my honest opinion using the mini-35 adapter Is like putting a Ferrari motor on a a Yugo...not gonna do much If I were you I'd get the XL2 and modify it to use DigiPrimes or HD zoom lenses It'll give you a better image--but it won't be better than shooting HD or S16. Remember don't expect ice cream from cow dung Even when you spray it with vanilla flavoring. Good Luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Spear Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Are there any prosumer camcorders that can capture + record 24P? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landon D. Parks Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Most all Prosumer camera record onto MiniDV tape, which I think you can only record in 60i.... So I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riku Naskali Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Are there any prosumer camcorders that can capture + record 24P? And why does it matter, since both fields are captured at the same time. So one can apply deinterlace without losing resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Spear Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 Heh. You're right. Who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Wells Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 In my honest opinion using the mini-35 adapter Is like putting a Ferrari motor on a a Yugo...not gonna do much If I were you I'd get the XL2 and modify it to use DigiPrimes or HD zoom lenses It'll give you a better image--but it won't be better than shooting HD or S16. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Isn't putting a $20,000 digiprime on a DV camcorder also about the same thing as a Ferrari engine in a Yugo ???? -Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member drew_town Posted April 18, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted April 18, 2005 Isn't putting a $20,000 digiprime on a DV camcorder also about the same thing as a Ferrari engine in a Yugo ???? Yeah, but you'd have the coolest Yugo EVER! B) No seriously, the 16x manual lens is good enough. You want more? Go to HD or 16mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Wells Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 And why does it matter, since both fields are captured at the same time.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> In interlaced capture, both fields are *not* captured at the same time -Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riku Naskali Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 In interlaced capture, both fields are *not* captured at the same time Yeah, but we were talking about progressive capture with interlaced recording to the tape (ag-dvx100, xl2 progressive ccd's) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted April 19, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted April 19, 2005 Yeah, but we were talking about progressive capture with interlaced recording to the tape (ag-dvx100, xl2 progressive ccd's) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> One of the reasons the camera converts 24P and 30P to 60i/480 is not only for recording purposes, but for later NTSC monitoring and people who want to do 60i posts without going back to 24P. It is essentially still a product made for the consumer market afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Wells Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Yeah, but we were talking about progressive capture with interlaced recording to the tape (ag-dvx100, xl2 progressive ccd's) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> OK then. I'd read back over the posts, I wasn't quite sure who was talking about what. -Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Andino Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Isn't putting a $20,000 digiprime on a DV camcorder also about the same thing as a Ferrari engine in a Yugo ???? -Sam <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You're right... I feel that the stock lens or 16x manual should be good enough... But someone is always trying to enhance a miniDV camera As if it were a a high-end video camera or a film camera... And personally, the B4 adapter on a XL2 is much better than a mini35 adapter So that why I recommended it--but you're right it ain't that much an improvement. Although you'd still be better off just shooting S16 or HD So maybe next time someone ask I'll just recommend them to shoot it with the stock lens If they want better quality shoot S16 or HD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Allen Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 ... someone is always trying to enhance a miniDV camera As if it were a a high-end video camera or a film camera... The toys we get are never quite enough without all the accessories we can buy later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tim J Durham Posted April 29, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted April 29, 2005 Yes, the NTSC Canon XL2 will CAPTURE at 24P (actually 23.98P...) but RECORDS it as 60i/480 with a 3:2 pulldown, just as the DVX100 does. The Canon XL1 only had a fake progressive-scan look called "frame mode". <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You could use the FireStore. It captures in Quicktime 24p. http://www.focusinfo.com/products/firestore/fsdte.htm Since your not printing to tape which requires 60i. Then you just hook up your firewire cable and you're ready to edit. No need to digitize. There's no info on pulldown so I'm assuming it does not do it. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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