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Say, I looked at the still you posted as well as several other, and lo and behold, it looks like you are also in Portland! Could I trouble you to look at the stabilized film in person, as well as anything else you'd be willing to share???? Let me know! Thanks!

Great to hear...can you give us a sample and/or more information on your experience?

I'm so relieved someone is trying this tool out. Thanks! You know, I was just watching Richard Linklater's first film which Criterion Collection included on the DVD of "Slacker", a film he shot on Super 8, and the image was unstable enough that it was distracting. I think getting a perfectly stable image is very import and and worth experimenting with.

Sure, sure...but if you haven't seen it, how do you know? And when it comes to shooting 70 to 80fps, maybe it would be nice to have extra stablization. Dunno, you know. Just trying to learn more and don't want to pass judgement until I've seen it or heard someone else talk about the effectiveness of the tool.

Any luck with the Andec Frame Master yet? Eagerly awaiting...

I read somewhere that someone created a little gadget that gets inserted into a roll of super 8 film which helps to keep the film registration stable, but I can't remember who was selling it. I seem to think it was someone in Germany and I also seem to remember this device cost about $100 and you have to be very careful to remember to remove it from the film roll before accidentally sending it to the lab with the film. Anyone know what I'm talking about and has anyone seen the results? I'm going to be shooting at 80fps and need to ensure the stability of the film as it rushes through the gate. Thanks!

The trailer looks great. Where did you get your crystal sync, how much, etc.? Did you make a blimp or a barney or did you buy one, from where and how much? What did you cut on? Cheers!

What Super 8 camera shoots the highest fps to achieve the slowest slow motion and what fps does the camera run at? I'm going to guess it's the Beaulieu which I think shoots 80fps, but is there another camera that shoots above 80fps? Thanks!

If this has been answered in detail in another thread, I appologize in advance...Question one: Who provides telecine service for superduper 8, what kind of machine do they use, what are their rates and how can they be contacted? Question two: who services cameras to widen the gate, what is their rate, what cameras do they work on and how can they be contacted?

Could someone list the contact info for places in the US and abroad who can transfer super 8 that's been shot with a widened gate? Also, it would be helpful to know if there are any facilities that can widen the gate on a super 8 camera. Thanks!

What company in the U.S. can do a spirit transfer for super 8 and what are their rates/turnaround time? Thanks!

Yipe! $500 or more does seem like a lot. Does anyone else know of a different company to do crystal sync for Super 8?

Say, does anyone know of companies that can add 24fps crystal sync to a Nizo camera?

I read that Cintel announced a new scanner at NAB this year called DataMill, which scans various film formats including Super 8. It scans at 2k, 3k and 4k and also scans at 15fps (for the 2k scans), which makes it one of the fastest scanners around. Cintel also announced Grace-In-A-Box which is supposed to signficantly reduce grain. DataMill sells for $575k. Anyone know of a facility in the U.S. or elsewhere that has or will have this scanner and what the rates are or will be for a 2k scan?

Fantastic information, thank you. The next big question is what scanner to use and how to get a super 8 gate. Any ideas?

Firstly, to address the film stock comments, it's sounds like Vision2 is going to be less grainy with more colour saturation than the K40. Let me know if this is accurate. Secondly, regardless of grain, my purpose in asking the question telecine vs. scanner has more to do with the amount of information represented in the image than the grain. Obviously, if you're shooting on a grainier film, you're going to see more grain. But will you see more information in a 2k scan than an HD telecine? And so thirdly, it sounds like no one has an answer about scanning because it isn't being done. It seems like there may be a market if the picture information is in fact greater than a telecine and can be done for less money. Is anyone out there experimenting with scanning super 8 yet? My intuition tells me this could be the future for Super 8. John at Kodak, any comments? Also, thanks for the one frame scan posted here!

Sorry to interrupt, gentlemen, but there seems to have been a digression from the topic. Can anyone answer the original question pertaining to scanning versus telecine with the intent of film blowup?

er, um...Actually, John I can't do the math. I'm terrible at math and don't know how to figure out resolution, though I'd love to learn. Help a brother out. So can we get some kind of definitive answer that an HD telecine as a digital intermediate for a 16mm/35mm blow up would be better than a 2k scan, if that were possible? And let's assume that we're using Vision or Vision2 negative. I would love to walk away from this thread saying, yes, one will yield a better film blow up than the other.

Thanks for the replies so far. Can anyone give definitive information about Super 8 resolution and whether a 2k scan is even necessary and what the advantage may be of scanning rather than telecine?

Here we are living on the cusp of High Definition, which is currently too expensive on which to shoot, but is an excellent digital intermediate. Since HD resolution is somewhere around 1100 and Super 8 is somewhere around 1300, it makes sense to me that one could shoot on Super 8 and then post in HD, to get the maximum lines of resolution. That's fine for product to be finished on video, but what about finishing on film? It seems in order to take advantage of all the resolution that Super 8 has to offer, the negative should be scanned at 2k. However, and this is the crux of my question, does anyone have a scanner with a super 8 gate? When I say scan, I don't mean a telecine, but something like the Cineon Lightning or Northlight Scanner at Cinesite? Moreover, is there a scanner available for less than $10,000 that could be modified for super 8 scanning so it could be done independently of a Kodak facility (since Super 8 is a D.I.Y. medium, after all)? It seems that the future of Super 8 depends upon marrying it to high tech and this might be the best way to do it. Any comments are welcome.